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Old 28-Sep-03, 12:31 AM   #1
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Advice for people new to training and fitness...


I thought I'd take the opportunity to share some basic advice for people new to training and getting fit... i'm sure most of these tips have been covered before but it may help someone from reposting the same questions.

I'm hoping that others will add more advice based on their own experiences and that this thread becomes another great repository of information for someone new to fitness.


For me this is the most important rule to training and getting fit:

Rule 1: There are No Rules

OK thats a pretty controversial thing to be saying so let me clarify it a bit.
Yes, there are basic principles to getting fit/weight training that nature puts in front of you that you can't get around... but essentially there is no 'right' or 'wrong' way to train.

Its human nature to search for the perfect answer... find that elusive diet that really works or some sage advice from a master trainer... but the fact is there is very rarely such an answer.

So instead of looking for THE answer try looking for an answer that works for YOU.

Everyone is different - they like and respond to different forms of fitness training... if this wasn't true we'd all be doing the exact same fitness techniques.

It's all about finding what works for you... and the best way to do that is to constantly experiment and measure or monitor your progress and results.


So here's some basic advice that worked for me and that I hope in sharing might prove valuable to you - there are 3 basic principles:


1. Set Yoursef A Goal - visualise how you want to look and feel from training.

Set yoursef ONE measurable goal that will help you achieve this and give yourself a timelimit (within reason of course - i've found 2 months works well for small goals and 6 months for larger ones) . As time goes by you will start making lists of goals... but tackle them one at a time. For me its always worked well if i set small goals over short periods that way i'm constantly seeing the results i want and feel more motivated to continue.

For instance:
visualise - taking off your shirt and seeing abs instead of fat.
goal - lose 5kg of fat in 2 months.


2. Change your lifestyle eating habits - the best diet is 'no diet'.

Instead simply change the foods you eat regularly and how you eat them. Regardless of whether you want to lose fat, put on muscle or maintain your weight you need to set yourself some guidelines to eating - and guidelines that become part of a new lifestyle for you - something that you can do longterm rather than shortterm.

How?

Start simple. Most people need to reduce the amount of fat and fried food they eat so start there.

Next work out you calorie requirements - here's a basic calculator to help you. As you get more advanced you will want to take body fat % into account but this is a good start.

Once you have a figure, adjust it to meet your goal - as a general rule... to maintain keep that figure, to lose fat reduce it by 500cal, to gain weight add 500cal.

Once you have that figure its just a matter of keeping to it each day and trying to spread it out over 5 to 6 meals to help your metabolism. Try and eat healthier than you usually do. As you progress you might want to get more specific and work out a % of carbohydrates, protein and fat to eat each day but to start with this is enough. Things like supplements aren't necessary either until you progress far enough and want to start trying a few things but when you do keep them simple.

and don't forget... ditch the softdrinks and drink lots of WATER!


3. Exercise/Training - work your body to get to your goals.

Once you have your goal and your calorie intake in order its time to introduce the training aspect.

The most important thing is to find a programme that you enjoy and that you think you can keep yourself motivated to do. If you're not sure then try a few different things until you find the right one for you. Either way as you progress you might want to change things around to stop yourself from getting bored.

For me the best way to meet my goals was to join a gym but its certainly not the only way. For me it provided access to all the equipment i needed, advice from more experienced personal trainers in meeting my goals and most importantly being surrounded by others training provided me the motivation and lack of distraction to keep going.

How you train is going to depend on your goals... essentially the 2 methods are:

* to lose fat - you will want to do plenty of cardio work such as cycling and do some strength training as well
* to gain muscle - you will want to cut back on cardio and concentrate on weight training

remember that you can't really achieve both at the same time and that you should tackle either one or the other that suits the calorie intake you chose.

there's plenty of training advice out there so i wont go into all the types and variations but get some advice from someone thats experienced and start simple and train regularly - 3 times a week is a great start!


Wrapping it up...

For me... my goal was fat loss so i reduced my calories and did plenty of cardio and the fat melted away.
Once i had reached my fat loss goal i changed to wanting to gain muscle and increased my calories, reduced cardio and increased my weight training.

Above all... take it slow. Don't try and change too many things at once and make changes in small increments to get yourself used to it. For instance... slowly drop or raise your calories until you get to your required figure. Start simple with the training until your body gets fitter and stronger.

Keep experimenting until you find what works for you and it gives the results you need. Generally you'll need to stick at something for a month or 2 before seeing any results. Make sure you monitor yourself to see how your going - thats where a gym membership is great because they can regularly check your body fat and measurements so that you can see if what you are doing is working.


I'm hoping this gives someone new to fitness a bit of direction to head because i know when i started it was very hard to know what i should be doing and I certainly made many mistakes... so if you're new to training i hope this helps set you on your way.

There is tons of information out there... as you start to wade through it make sure you take it all with a grain of salt... above all you need to remember that you need to do what works for YOU.

For those with a little more experience please add your own basics down so that others can benefit from what you've done... because simply knowing where to start can be the hardest step.


Never stop visualising that goal... and Have Fun!!
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Old 28-Sep-03, 04:41 AM   #2
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the spot reduction myth


i hear people asking all the time... 'how can i reduce my fat stomach?'... or 'i just want to trim my thighs'

spot reduction is a myth

essentially you cannot lose fat from only certain 'spots' on your body such as the stomach or thighs... when you lose fat it generally happens throughout your entire body.

read here for some more details.
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Old 28-Sep-03, 04:47 AM   #3
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another fallacy - losing muscle


i hear it all the time from people weight training - they are afraid that incorporating cardio in their programme will cause them to lose muscle

from my own personal experience i have never found this to be the case

whilst i feel to an extent it can interfere with efficient muscle growth i don't believe that you will lose muscle from cardio (assuming that you have the correct diet)

muscle loss generally only occurs if your calorie intake is insufficient or your glycogen levels are low

see here for some more info.
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Old 29-Sep-03, 08:00 AM   #4
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another good discussion about muscle loss due to cardio can be found here

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Old 30-Sep-03, 08:52 AM   #5
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what sort of weights programme should i start with?


ok here's some basic advice on starting up a weights programme....

its great to see what workouts other people are doing but its important to remember that people have different levels of experience and ability and that a workout may suit them but not you

***a quick definition:
reps - a rep is one complete movement of an exercise
sets - a set is a group of repetitions that you do one after the other before taking a rest

for example: 4/15 = 4 sets of 15 reps each
so that would mean you would do an exercise 15 times - rest - then repeat 3 more times with rests in between***

so for your strength workouts start with the basics and start slow... i know its frustrating but it will pay off long term

you need to spend at least a couple of months getting your body adapted to the exercises first and to ensure that your form is correct

as a result don't go for heavy weights just yet... do 3-4 sets of 12-15 reps (knowing that you can still squeeze out some more reps if need be)

your best bet is not to split your routine just yet either but to do ALL of your muscles in each exercise session and in that case only pick one exercise per muscle group

[for some information about muscle groups and exercises for various muscles click here.]

at least 3 times a week for this total bodywork is a good figure to work toward... ensuring that you aren't too sore when you start a session

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Old 01-Oct-03, 08:12 AM   #6
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should you take supplements?


ok...

there are a lot of supplements out there... probably two of the most common are protein supplements such as shakes and creatine.

as a beginner i'd give supplements a miss

why?

supplements effect people in different ways... some work... some don't work... so you need to experiment for a month or so to see what effect a supplement has on you... and you can't truly experiment until you have a 'solid base' to measure the results off.

as a beginner your results can be misleading - a natural progression because of your new programme can be mistaken for improvements due to supplements

you need to establish yourself in a programme - see some results - and then try ONE supplement at a time to see if your progressing results accelerate at a faster rate

otherwise you may just find the supplements are money down the drain or even worse could have a negative effect upon your body
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Old 01-Oct-03, 11:35 AM   #7
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Good post for begininers...........
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Old 01-Oct-03, 11:53 AM   #8
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Yup, nice post Crazy!
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Old 01-Oct-03, 02:18 PM   #9
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I have a question...

I started working out about a month ago and i go to the gym every mon, wed, and fri morning and i have split up my routine like this -

mon = legs/shoulders
wed = chest/triceps
fri = back/biceps

I havent missed any days and dont plan on it - not only does the gym make me feel good about myself, but i also beat tons of morning traffic!

Anyway, i have been thinking about going 5 days (mon, tues, wed, thurs, fri), but i'm wondering if that is too much - i was planning on setting up my schedule like this -

mon - legs/shoulders
tues - chest/tri
wed - back/biceps
thurs - legs/shoulders
fri - chest/tri

etc...

Do you think this is too much? Or is my current schedule maybe not enough? I dont want to overdo it, but i obviously dont want to underdo it. I dont lift crazy amounts of weight because i am concentrating on my form. I also have been eating right, so that isnt a concern.

Please let me know what you think. Thanks for any responses!
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Old 02-Oct-03, 07:23 AM   #10
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just remember as someone new to training you need to develop some strength and correct form before working yourself harder... so always bear this in mind... your first six months are probably the most crucial and usually when you are most prone to do yourself injury or get into bad habits

thats why i recommend doing the 'total body workouts' when you're starting as these are a great way to introduce your body to training

once you have some experience and make the decision to go into a 'split' routine you want to make the progress gradual

i should mention as well that a 'split' routine is one in which you split your body into different muscle groups and train these groups on different days

a split routine generally works your body harder because you are doing more exercises for each muscle group

a good way to ease into it is as follows...

1. take your current full body workout and split it into muscle groups over say 3 days - a good example:

mon - chest/shoulders/triceps
wed - legs/abs
fri - back/biceps

2. add some more exercises to each of those days to fill them out (of the same muscle group) - don't add too many

3. do your compound exercises (largest muscles eg.back) first as these will give you the greatest gains and don't push yourself too hard until you get adapted

the most important thing here is REST... a rest day between each workout is ideal... thats why a 3 day split can work well

you are working yourself harder and need to give your muscles time to recover... if they are still recovering when you hit them again you will make very minimal gains (if any)... so rest them!

here's another discussion on starting a split routine

BigSilly... in your case... if you were lifting heavy weights at low-reps i wouldnt recommend on repeating your split in any given week

As you are still new and working into it gradually i'm hoping your using lighter weights and higher reps so you can build up to that slowly... in this case you could repeat your split... as long as you felt your body was up for it and was not too sore

However doing it 5 days straight is not a good idea because you are not allowing yourself enough rest especially between your biceps and shoulder days as you will be using your biceps for your shoulder exercises and these will not have fully recovered... a better plan for you would be:

mon - legs/shoulders
tues - chest/triceps
wed - back/biceps
thurs - rest
fri - legs/shoulders
sat - chest/triceps
sun - rest


try this and see how you go... otherwise keep to your 3 day split - mon, wed, fri and simply add another exercise for each muscle group so you start to work them harder

once you start moving into heavier workouts and higher weights you'll probably need up to a weeks rest for each muscle group before hitting it again!

remember its all about REST!!
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Old 02-Oct-03, 07:59 AM   #11
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how many sets and reps should you do


as you begin strength work you want to ensure you do a higher number of reps per set and keep the weight at a fairly low level to enable this

as you progress and want to put on more size or strength you will reduce the reps and increase the weights

again i'll reiterate you need to do this gradually and have the basic form and strength work done before reducing the amount of reps you do and increasing the weights... as a minimum this can take at least 2-6months... even longer depending on the individual

heres a basic outline of how it works:

goal ------------ sets ---------- reps

endurance ------- 3-4 ---------- >12 (rest: 30-60secs between sets)

muscle size ------ 3-6 ---------- 6-12 (rest: 60-120secs)

strength --------- 2-6 ---------- <6 (rest: 120secs-5min)



the weight you use is important as well... when starting at weights or doing endurance work you want to ensure the weight is light enough so that you can do a few more reps if you pushed yourself

when more experienced or doing strength work you want to ensure you work the muscles as heavy as possible, that is, you can only can only just make the last rep in each set

remember take it SLOW!

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Old 02-Oct-03, 08:16 AM   #12
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some great resources


these forums are a fantastic source of information... but eventually you'll want to expand your knowledge

there are thousands of books and websites out there so i'll recommend a couple to get you started on your search

sites:

http://www.exrx.net/

books:

The Complete Guide to Sports Nutrition - Anita Bean

The Complete Guide to Strength Training - Anita Bean


these two books are packed with information and are fairly general in scope so they're great for beginners looking to advance their knowledge

you'll need to read even more though to get a more balanced look on theories and concepts... don't take any one person or book as gospel... you need to read a few opinions on any subject (and believe me they vary!) and then make up your own mind on what works and better still put it into practice so you can truly see!!
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Old 02-Oct-03, 10:06 AM   #13
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Thank you for all your help Crazy! I am going to try out the schedule you advised. I figured once a week for each muscle group would be good.
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Old 03-Oct-03, 09:25 AM   #14
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no worries... just trying to put as many basics down in the clearest manner i can so that people start off on the right foot

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fat loss or muscle gain? not both


i hear from so many people new to training that they want to lose fat and put on muscle at the same time - frankly it ain't gonna happen

whilst you can have strength improvements and some muscle growth when trying to lose fat (if your nutrition is right) you are not using your body efficiently and your gains or losses will be very limited

essentially the two systems compete - one system is focussed on getting the body to eat itself (fat) and the other is focussed on fueling itself (growth)

start with one or the other - from personal experience tackling fat loss first is what i would recommend and that way your gains will come quicker because you are efficiently concentrating nutrition and exercise on the same thing

here's some more information on deciding between fat loss and muscle gain

i know its frustrating because you want everything at once and you want it now but patience! one thing at a time!


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