Bad to train a part that is still a little sore/tender?

C.K. · 20-Oct-03, 05:23 PM

I have been doing the Arnold style workout for some time now and it works well for me except I have one thing still bothering me about this workout. A doubt if you will. I work every part twice a week with 2 days in between for rest on that body part. Example: On Monday I do my chest and back, on Tuesday I do my shoulders and arms, and on Wensday I do my legs. Then I start over on Thursday. I take the weekend off. The thing is..is that sometimes the body area that I trained 2 days before is still a little tender from its previouse workout, and I wanted to know if its bad to lift/train it if it is still a little sore? Does this effect growth? I just want to train the way that will get me the biggest, and if this is stoping me or slowing me down I want to know?

ricohelms · 20-Oct-03, 05:37 PM

If the body part is still sore, are you able to lift as heavy as you did 2 days proir? If not then yes you are wasting your time. I am now a firm believer in another members style of lifting. Its worked very well for me and I am almost never sore.

C.K. · 20-Oct-03, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ricohelms

If the body part is still sore, are you able to lift as heavy as you did 2 days proir? If not then yes you are wasting your time. I am now a firm believer in another members style of lifting. Its worked very well for me and I am almost never sore.

Yes sometimes there is just a little soreness or tightness left in the part (usually just my chest), but I can almost always lift just as much as I did the previous workout. Are you talking about Todd's workout style that you are trying out?

ricohelms · 20-Oct-03, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by C.K.

Yes sometimes there is just a little soreness or tightness left in the part (usually just my chest), but I can almost always lift just as much as I did the previous workout. Are you talking about Todd's workout style that you are trying out?

Yeah, works great. I was sore the first few days cause I went way heavy. Only when I change an exercise do I get sore.. (Dangling participle) Wheres wolfman when I need him?????

C.K. · 20-Oct-03, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ricohelms

Yeah, works great. I was sore the first few days cause I went way heavy. Only when I change an exercise do I get sore.. (Dangling participle) Wheres wolfman when I need him?????

Tried it today, just did my chest. I did sets of 5-6. About 6-8 exercises of pure trashing my chest! We will see how it turns out. I'll do it for 3 weeks and if I don't see the results I got with my other workout..back I go to Arnolds way!

ricohelms · 21-Oct-03, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by C.K.

Tried it today, just did my chest. I did sets of 5-6. About 6-8 exercises of pure trashing my chest! We will see how it turns out. I'll do it for 3 weeks and if I don't see the results I got with my other workout..back I go to Arnolds way!

I did chest on Monday too. Didn't have my spotter so I wasn't able to go as heavy as normal. I like todds workout, its allot faster then my old one.

radical_P · 21-Oct-03, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by C.K.

I have been doing the Arnold style workout for some time now and it works well for me except I have one thing still bothering me about this workout. A doubt if you will. I work every part twice a week with 2 days in between for rest on that body part. Example: On Monday I do my chest and back, on Tuesday I do my shoulders and arms, and on Wensday I do my legs. Then I start over on Thursday. I take the weekend off. The thing is..is that sometimes the body area that I trained 2 days before is still a little tender from its previouse workout, and I wanted to know if its bad to lift/train it if it is still a little sore? Does this effect growth? I just want to train the way that will get me the biggest, and if this is stoping me or slowing me down I want to know?

First off bro doing this workout besides using only for one week will cause you serious problems. You are sore because the lactic acid is building up without anyway of removal. YOu are not giving your body enough time to regroup. The only thing you are going to do is cause muscle ruptures and atrophy. Unless you are doing some serious steriods I would only work each muscle group once a week intensely.

adrenaline · 21-Oct-03, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by C.K.

Yes sometimes there is just a little soreness or tightness left in the part (usually just my chest), but I can almost always lift just as much as I did the previous workout. Are you talking about Todd's workout style that you are trying out?

what's todd's workout if i may i ask? i know its a wee bit off topic

ricohelms · 21-Oct-03, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by adrenaline

what's todd's workout if i may i ask? i know its a wee bit off topic

Go to workout journals and find todds name under thread starter. I would give you the direct link but I'm still learning this board, sorry...

C.K. · 21-Oct-03, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by radical_P

First off bro doing this workout besides using only for one week will cause you serious problems. You are sore because the lactic acid is building up without anyway of removal. YOu are not giving your body enough time to regroup. The only thing you are going to do is cause muscle ruptures and atrophy. Unless you are doing some serious steriods I would only work each muscle group once a week intensely.

I am not too sure what you were talking about in teh first part of your reply ..the part about using my workout for only one week? I have been using this workout for 7 months. Its been doing well..look at Avatar. I have just started teh Todd workout from what you have all said about not giving my muscles enuff time. I know for a fact tha it takes 48 hours for the acid and chemicals to recuperate in your body. (just learned yesterday in a book) So I am going to try this Todd workout for a few weeks and check the results compared to my older workout. Whatcha think?

radical_P · 21-Oct-03, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by C.K.

I am not too sure what you were talking about in teh first part of your reply ..the part about using my workout for only one week? I have been using this workout for 7 months. Its been doing well..look at Avatar. I have just started teh Todd workout from what you have all said about not giving my muscles enuff time. I know for a fact tha it takes 48 hours for the acid and chemicals to recuperate in your body. (just learned yesterday in a book) So I am going to try this Todd workout for a few weeks and check the results compared to my older workout. Whatcha think?

Bro I am not trying to give you crap here. Keep this workout up and you will have serious problems. I am a Physical Therapist, I specialize in athletic injuries and work with the NFL. I am only trying to help out here because one of the members here invited me over. 48 hours is a load of crap. If that is the case I have been doing things wrong for 16 years. Every time you lift you break down tissue. Inflamation decreaces in 48 hours thant the metabolic changes occur. Reocvery begins and muscles begin to rebuild via protein synthasis as well as numerous other things which I will spare you the boreing detail. Yes I agree you look great but you are setting yourself up for an injury. Trust me here bro I know what I am talking about.

C.K. · 21-Oct-03, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by radical_P

Bro I am not trying to give you crap here. Keep this workout up and you will have serious problems. I am a Physical Therapist, I specialize in athletic injuries and work with the NFL. I am only trying to help out here because one of the members here invited me over. 48 hours is a load of crap. If that is the case I have been doing things wrong for 16 years. Every time you lift you break down tissue. Inflamation decreaces in 48 hours thant the metabolic changes occur. Reocvery begins and muscles begin to rebuild via protein synthasis as well as numerous other things which I will spare you the boreing detail. Yes I agree you look great but you are setting yourself up for an injury. Trust me here bro I know what I am talking about.

Hey man, i'm sorry if I came off as being nasty, it was not my intention at all..I just didn't understand what the firts part of yor reply was about. Anyways, so you are saying go with the "work the body part once a week only for better results? Honestly doesnt this seem like working it too little? And also one more question, how long does it take for a muscle to fully recover?

radical_P · 21-Oct-03, 08:51 PM

Without artificial hormones it takes roughly 6-7 days. On gear it can take 4-6 depending on the individuals gentic cellular makeup. I am 5'10 200lbs and about 9-10% bf I train everything but abbs and calves once a week. It also depends on the fiber development you are training. Abbs and calves repair more quickly than others. The first part of my earlier comment was that this was a good way to shock the muscles that have become used to your program. Not to be on for a long time unless you are using Growth hormones and other steroids. Trust me I know what I am talking about.

DaRkAnGel · 21-Oct-03, 08:58 PM

Radical a ? I workout each body part roughly the same... 2 times a week. My rest periods for that body part are usually greater or equal to 48 but i still do it 2 times a week for each muscle. I workout 6 times a week. I didn't think i was overtraining and feel that good results are occuring but let me get this straight. Are you advocating that if i only worked each muscle once a week i would get better results? (im 15 btw 210 pounds and 5'9)