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Old 29-Dec-03, 11:26 PM   #1
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Easiest way to go up


Ok, I want to be able to bench 225 atleast once by Jan. 30th, A lot sooner if possible. But is the best way to get that max to go up, to rep more lower weights and just do normal workouts, Or could I go for my max before every bench day, and go for 1 rep max, then bench a heavy weight 2/3 times, and then just do what I am doing now, which is really big pyramiding where I start with 135x As many times possible, 145x amtp, 155x amtp, etc. then when I get to a weight I can only do 1 rep of I drop it down by 20 lbs each set. But I think I might start with 145/55 when I start this time.

Havent gone for it, but I think my current max is around 200. (I never go for my max)
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Old 29-Dec-03, 11:29 PM   #2
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low reps, heavy weight. 4-6 reps heavy...and lot of protein
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Old 29-Dec-03, 11:59 PM   #3
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Do a specialized benching routine, such as a Russian Bench routine (cue Kyle here), or the bench days (ME and DE) of Westside, or something like that.
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Old 30-Dec-03, 11:23 AM   #4
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Could you explian the bench days of West Side please?
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Old 30-Dec-03, 11:30 AM   #5
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Sample Westside program .......

Monday :
Box Squats 3 sets of 5 (3-5 warm-up sets)
Good Mornings 3 sets of 5 (3-5 warm-up sets)
Pull-Throughs 4-8 sets of 8
Pull-down Abs 3-7 sets of 8
Hanging Leg Raises 4 sets to failure
Reverse Hypers 4 sets of 8

Tuesday :
Shrugs, 4 sets of 4 with 2 x 15 rep warmup sets.
Reverse Shrug same as above
Shoulders

Wednesday :
-First 2 weeks: Board Press 3 sets of 5 (3-5 warm-up sets)
-Second 2 weeks: Floor Press 3 sets of 5 (3-5 warm-up sets)
Skull Crushers 60 total reps w/10 rep max per set
Seated Cable Row 3 sets of 8 (3-5 warm-up sets)
Face Pulls 3 sets of 8
External Rotations 4 sets of 8

Thursday :
Cardio

Friday :
Box Squat 15 sets of 2 reps
Romanian Deadlifts 4 sets of 15
Pull -down Abs 3-7 sets of 8
Hanging Leg Raises 4 sets to failure
Reverse Hypers 4 sets of 8

Saturday :
Cardio

Sunday :
Bench Press 15 sets of 3 reps
Pin Press 2 sets of 5 (3-5 warm-up sets)
Bent-over Barbell Rows 3 sets of 5 (3-5 warm-up sets)
Face Pulls 3 sets of 8
External Rotations 3 sets of 8
Seated Dumbbell Press 3 sets of 8


Good Article On Benching........

Pressing Power

Five reasons your bench gets stuck at the bottom
and what you can do about it
by Dave Tate

"I’m weak off my chest in the bench press. What can I do?"

This is a question I’m asked more than any other, so I’ve decided to devote a whole article to dealing with this popular problem. This seems to be a very common sticking point for beginners and non-powerlifters. Many people are quick to point this out as being due to a weakness of the chest muscles, but I disagree with that for several reasons.

First, most powerlifters do very little chest work while bodybuilders do a ton of chest work. If bench press poundage equated to chest strength, then the powerlifters would be weak off the chest and bodybuilders would be weak at the top.

How about when you throw bench shirts into the equation? While the bench shirt does help, it really only changes the sticking point a couple of inches. So if powerlifters are weak right off the chest, the shirt will only get them the first couple of inches. In reality, they’re still weak off the chest.

Now, let’s dig in and solve this problem once and for all. There are five main reasons why you may get stuck at the bottom of a bench press:

#1 — You’re too slow


If you really think about this, you’ll see why it’s the number one cause of bottomed out bench presses. I like to use the example of pressing through a thin board. If I were to take a board, like the ones used in the martial arts, and hold it three inches off your chest while you pressed into it in a slow manner, then it would become a matter of who was stronger, the person holding the board or the lifter pressing the bar.

If the holder is stronger, then the bar will go into the board and stop. Now if the same board was used and the lifter exploded into the bar with maximum force or speed, then the bar would crash through the board. Now think of this board as being your sticking point. Taking this one step further, what if we used a bigger board, one that would be impossible to crash through? Once again, if you pushed slowly the bar would get stuck. If you pushed fast, the board wouldn’t break but would be moved up higher. This would put your sticking point at or above the halfway point of the lift.

Lesson: Push with force if you want to press the full course!

#2 — You’re not keeping a tight position

This is another very common problem. If you’re not holding your body tight, then you’re not pressing with a firm, stable base. How can you build on a weak foundation? To get tight, you want to pull your shoulder blades together and shrug into your traps, fill your body with air, and drive your heels into the floor. You want to visualize pushing your body away from the bar as you press up.

If you don’t have your body expanded with as much air as possible, then your chest and belly will be lower than what’s needed for a big bench. The bigger you are, the shorter the path the bar has to travel and the higher the elbows remain.

Lesson: You have to stay tight to bench right!

#3 — Your lats are weak

You need to have strong lats if you want a big bench; there’s no way around this. To illustrate the point, try this: In a standing position, hold your arms in the bottom bench position; now flare your lats. What happened? Your arms moved forward. This is part of the same movement that happens when you bench press.

The trick to getting and keeping your lats in the movement starts long before the bar hits the chest. It begins with the set up at the beginning of the lift, before the bar leaves the rack. Once again you need to have the proper tight position. Now you want to tuck your elbows some and pull the bar out of the rack. You do not press out of the rack!

When you press out, your shoulders come apart and your lats aren’t tight. Almost 100% of the time this will happen because of the type of bench you’re using. Many benches today have J-hooks or uprights that are too damn deep. You have no choice but to press it out. In this case you have two options. First, find another bench. Many times the power rack will work out to be the best option. The j-hooks aren’t as deep and all you have to do is drag a bench over.

The second option is to take a liftoff from a training partner. I personally don’t like the liftoff option because it’s still hard to keep the lats tight, but if there’s no other choice, then by all means use it. This is actually one of the reasons why a liftoff helps you lift more weight.

If you’re pressing the bar in a straight line from the lower chest then there should be no way you’ll ever hit the uprights. So don’t be afraid to get under the bar more from the start. Many coaches will tell you to line the bar up with your eyes. I feel it should be lined up with your nose or chin. This way you don’t need so much shoulder rotation to get the bar out.

Now on to the lat work. Your program should have the right kind of lat work. You want to use those movements that work on the same plane as the bench press. This means any type of row. There are several to choose from, so pick based on the ones you’re the worst at. You should be training your lats two to four times a weak, but you don’t need a full-blown lat workout as the bodybuilders do. One movement for four to five sets should do the trick, but you do need to do them many times a week to try to maintain some type of balance.

#4 — The bar is too heavy

If I see a lifter take a bar out of the rack, lower it to his chest and barely move it, I wouldn’t call this a sticking point. It would be more aptly be called "getting stapled to the bench." If the weight is too heavy, you’ll get crushed! Be honest with yourself on this one.

#5 — You just don’t know how to press!

We all like to think we know how to bench press but the fact is we don’t. We may all know what to do, but getting it done is a whole other story. This concept is covered in detail in the Bench Press 600 Pounds article. For a quick review, you need to stay tight, keep the elbows tucked, drive your heels into the floor and shove your body away from the bar as you press. Too many times, one or more aspects are off for a number of different reasons.

Just remember that proper technique will make a huge difference in your ability to press record weights.


What To Do About It

Now that we know why you get stuck, let’s get on to describing some of the movements that can help correct this.


1) Dumbbell Work — Dumbbells are great for teaching you how to press and also great for building stability in the shoulder and lat muscles. There are several ways you can use dumbbells to strengthen your bench press:

High-Rep Dumbbell Press

This movement is done with the use of a bench or stability ball. You want to do a standard dumbbell press but keep your palms facing each other; this will keep your elbows in the correct benching position. I’ve found the repetition range of 12 to 20 to work best with this movement.

You want to do three sets, trying to fail at around 20 reps for the first set. You’ll then rest about four to five minutes and try to hit 20 again for your second set. More than likely this won’t happen, but it gives you something to aim for. Rest another four to five minutes and knock off the last set. This method of dumbbell usage works best in place of the max effort movement.

Dumbbell Floor Presses

The floor press is another great way to teach you how to stay tight in the upper body when pressing. When your legs are out straight, more of the load is transferred to the pressing muscles.

To do this movement, you lie on the floor and have your training partners hand you the dumbbells. Once again you’ll want to keep your palms in. Lower the bells until your triceps hit the floor, pause for a split second, and press back up. This movement fits in nicely as the first movement you’d do after doing dynamic bench or max effort bench work. Play around with the sets and reps to see which work best for you but always try to break your record each time you do them.

Timed Dumbbell Presses

This is the latest news out of Westside Barbell Club. Louie Simmons has found that taking a pair of dumbbells and pressing for time to be a great strength and restoration builder for the bench press. He’s been using a three-day split where the first day heavy dumbbells would be used continuously from two to four minutes. I’ve used up to 80-pound bells for three minutes.

These reps aren’t done in a non-stop action. (Had you scared there for a second, didn’t I?) You do a couple of reps, then hold them on your chest or at the top for five to ten seconds, then do a couple more reps. You keep the set going until you can’t do any more. Perform only one set at the end of the regular workout.

On the second day you want to use 60% of the weight used on day one, but take the time up to three to five minutes. I use 45 pound dumbbells for this day. On day three, drop another 60% and bump the time up to five to eight minutes. On this day, I use 25 to 30 pound dumbbells.

I’ve found this to help my shoulders recover at a faster rate than when not doing them. While Louie likes to keep the rotation going without a break, I like to only use the rotation one time per week.


2) Max Effort Work — The next three movements would be used as max effort movements concentrating on building power off your chest. I’d still cycle in the other max effort movements like the board press and lockouts every other week for the top part of the bench. This will keep building on the top strength you already have.

As a quick review of the max effort movement described in the Periodization Bible, Part Two article, the max effort method is used to build max strength in the bench press by teaching the body to strain with maximal training loads. This is done one time per week with one movement. You warm up using multiple sets of three to five reps in an ascending pattern until you get to a one or three rep max on the movement you’re using.

Barbell Floor Presses

This is one of the classic max effort movements that’s stood the test of time. The floor press is performed by setting the hooks or supports up in a power rack so you can bench press while lying on the floor. Get under the bar with your shoulder blades together and shrugged into your traps. Tuck the elbows and unrack the weight. Lower the weight until your triceps hit the floor. Pause for a split second, then press the weight back up in a straight line.

This movement can be done several ways. The first is with straight weight. Just warm up using three to five reps in an ascending pattern until you reach your one rep max. The second way would be to work up to 60% of your best bench press. When you reach this weight, you’ll begin adding one 20-pound chain on each side of the bar with each additional set until you max out.

For developing strength off your chest, using straight weight would be the best bet because it’ll teach you to press out of the bottom with maximal weights.



Cambered Bench Bars

This is a bar with a four inch camber in the middle of it to allow for greater range of motion. There are right and wrong ways to use this bar and the style you use is dependent on your own flexibility and ability to use the bar.

The first way is to take the bar down to your chest, which I believe works dynamic flexibility but is only beneficial with very lightweight. I don’t believe the heavy work should be taken all the way down to the chest because of the excess shoulder rotation.

The best way to use this bar is to bring it down to a point where it’s only about a half inch lower than where a regular bar would be. This way you won’t be getting any type of reflex off the chest. The last way to do this is with the use of boards to control how low the bar will go. Use two to three inches of boards so you can control how deep the bar will travel.



Ultra Wide Bench Presses

This is simply a wide-grip bench press outside your widest grip. For most people this would be with your forefinger on the rings. This isn’t a good movement to use for a one-rep max because of the stress it puts on the shoulders. It’s best done working up to two heavy sets of five or six reps.




3) Dynamic work for the bench press — This is key to the development of barbell speed. I’ve explained this method in great deal in many of my other articles so I won’t go into great depth here.

In a nutshell, spend one day per week training your bench for speed. This is best done using weights in the 45 to 55% range (based on bench shirt max) or 55 to 65% range (with non-bench shirt max). Once you reach your percent, eight to ten sets of three reps is all that’s needed. Make sure to push the bar as fast as you can. It should take you no longer than 3.5 seconds to complete the set.


Conclusion

The key to training greatness is finding your weak points and attacking them. Building and getting strong at what you’re already good at will only take you so far. Time must be spent on the things you really suck at doing; so find the movements and the weak points and start bringing them up. If all goes well you’ll be back on track to that big bench you’ve always wanted.
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Old 30-Dec-03, 11:33 AM   #6
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GREAT POST LEE :thumbup:
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Old 30-Dec-03, 11:45 AM   #7
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Cheers bro! I know it's a bit long... but those that take the time to read it will seriously benefit, I owe ALL my max lifts to the westside theories and dave tate.
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Old 30-Dec-03, 12:08 PM   #8
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Yea, Thanks Lee. One last question, Ok I did bench like 3-4 days ago, and hadn't worked out in 2 weeks (job). My muscles are the SLIGHTEST bit sore, but only if I touch them. Would I be safe to workout today? or should I wait? Because I might not get to for another 2-3 days after this.. So I'd be going back to working out every week and a half..
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Old 30-Dec-03, 12:36 PM   #9
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I'd wait... if they're sore then your not gonna get 100% out of them.
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Old 30-Dec-03, 02:14 PM   #10
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This should be a sticky thread. Good post, especially about keeping your body tight and having a strong lats. It all comes into play.
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Old 30-Dec-03, 02:37 PM   #11
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I'll wait and do it tommorow, there should be time for me to atleast squeeze benching in tommorow.

And can I go for my max everytime I bench? Or should I just stick with something like 5x3 and go for my max every once in a while?
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Old 30-Dec-03, 03:12 PM   #12
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If your truely maxing out I would heavily advise agaisnt doing it every week.... sooner or later it will catch up with you. Sometimes I dont hit a max for months on end, the pressure it puts on your body to lift that one rep is tremendous and generally not worth your joints or an injury by doing it every week. You'd be safer just doing as you mentioned, 5 x 3 or 5 x 4.
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West side routines all involve 2 max effort days usually though, so is this bad for the joints? You have plenty of warm up sets and then you can do 1 - 3 reps. I am a wrestler so i see why just doing 1 rep could not be really beneficial for me, would you advise against it? Thanks for the sample routine, when i get home i may encorporate some of it into mine because i only have the first 3 weeks done and need like a 9 - 16 week cycle.

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I'd advise agaisnt the one rep's if your a wrestler not really much need.... your joints should be able to take it as long as you warm up properly, although I supplement with glucosamine year round. But yeah in general it's a heavy routine but it should be good to go for most people, the westside routines demand respect though, don't skimp on one bit to get high in another or you could do serious damage.
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If you feel your joints are in trouble, take some time to do high reps with low weight, short rest periods (to stimulate lactic acid), this is good for you.
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