herbs vs. drinking

[MAURER]

it doesn't have similar congitive effects as drinking, anbody who smokes knows that.... have you ever even done it or are you just reading of all the govt anti-drug propoganda? anyone who smokes knows that it may make you more easily distracted and things like that. it doesn't make you that slow however. its maybe the equivilent to two beers in an average size male. i admit it can have an effect on short term memory this is definitely true. i also have found that it does effect my ability to do things like math but only WHILE you're on it... i have a couple friends at ivy league schools who smoke every day it obviously didn't make them dumb. ee tahts the thing with all these marijuana studies.... do you know ANYBODY or have heard of anybody who got in accident because they were high on weed? you hear about drinking accidents all the time. do you know anybody who got lung cancer that smoked weed and not cigarettes? find me anybody who can say that their relatives died directly or indirectly from weed and i'll change my mind. by the way like i said... i rarely smoke anymore so its not just that im some stoner trying to convince myself that im not destroying my mind and body. its just that neither i nor annybody i know ahs observed any of these supposed effects that pot has such as causing lung cancer or siginificant impairment of cognitive ability.

[midgetcop]

Ah geez everyone, chill. Of course, completely abstaining from alcohol and marijuana is ideal for optimal health. I don't think anyone is advocating one or the other.

But I gotta say....if weed caused massive brain damage, then I probably wouldn't have made it out of high school.

[MAURER]

im chill im just trying to make a point... i get into it i guess haha.

[luke.w]

Originally Posted by devils4551

I know all the drinking effect on estrogen and testosterone levels and metablosim and all, i was just wondering what the effects of marajuana was on your training, if anyone knows anything on the topic information please. Thank you

At some point in time they may both hurt your training equally there really is no better rec. drug to choose when it comes down to serious training, it can be all good at first, but when your getting to the point of higher level of training, they can cause a problem, and it's usually mental at first, but will most likley become physical after many,many years.

In my experiance if your looking for a great high (and I mean nearly idenitcal to taking a hit from a water bong) carry a heavy object as long as your body can and keep going,or do very high rep full body work (20rep squat) you'll get the heavy breathing, the air hits the brain, and you'll feel a similar high as pot, you'll sleep great that night also.

[luke.w]

Originally Posted by luke.w

In my experiance if your looking for a great high (and I mean nearly idenitcal to taking a hit from a water bong) carry a heavy object as long as your body can and keep going,or do very high rep full body work (20rep squat) you'll get the heavy breathing, the air hits the brain, and you'll feel a similar high as pot, you'll sleep great that night also.

Might I add that this high will only cost the $ of your gym or eqipment, and will last for days, the next 2-days you should pretty sore, and the muscles should a good laid back comfort feeling, and good sleep.

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by MAURER

it doesn't have similar congitive effects as drinking, anbody who smokes knows that.... have you ever even done it or are you just reading of all the govt anti-drug propoganda? anyone who smokes knows that it may make you more easily distracted and things like that. it doesn't make you that slow however. its maybe the equivilent to two beers in an average size male. i admit it can have an effect on short term memory this is definitely true. i also have found that it does effect my ability to do things like math but only WHILE you're on it... i have a couple friends at ivy league schools who smoke every day it obviously didn't make them dumb. ee tahts the thing with all these marijuana studies.... do you know ANYBODY or have heard of anybody who got in accident because they were high on weed? you hear about drinking accidents all the time. do you know anybody who got lung cancer that smoked weed and not cigarettes? find me anybody who can say that their relatives died directly or indirectly from weed and i'll change my mind. by the way like i said... i rarely smoke anymore so its not just that im some stoner trying to convince myself that im not destroying my mind and body. its just that neither i nor annybody i know ahs observed any of these supposed effects that pot has such as causing lung cancer or siginificant impairment of cognitive ability.

I have studied it I have seen the lab results. I know people in top jobs who do xtc as well i suppose this obviouslty had no effect on their brains either.

How can someone distinguish between lung cancer from smoking different drugs. If someone only smokes weed there chance is lower because there is no way you will have 20 plus a day smokers like in nicotine so exposure is less.

How often do police check for the use of drugs when there are accidetns and studies have shown a huge % take weed and alcohol together which is a disaster but the easily detected alcohol is the one blamed.

So when you observe these people with no ill effects how are you doing it. Are you monitoring them before they sart and then 40 years later. I presume you are not basing it on just a few years recreational use its a progressive procedure you have a lot of "spare" brain cells.

[iloveher86]

All the weight lifters I know who smoke pot, are fit as hell looking. Cut looking nicely defined body... I don't know why either, you'd think doing drugs like pot would do the opposite. But even if pot does have a positive effect, I can tell it probably has a negative effect down the road.

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by Dan C

Why is it that you seem to condone steroid use but condemn marijuana use, Maxgain?

I condone/make allowances for educated drug use. If a cannabis user accepted that he was causing neurotoxicity effecting his brain function and his shortterm awareness was impaired fine then he has accepted this and can make an informed decision. The chances of repercussions thatw ould effect others are less.
If we have a naiaive person like Maurer not accepting that cannabis use is a as bad as alcohol on mental functioning and drives resulting in someone getting knocked down because hes an idiot i cant condone its use in any way.

I mean an educted user would accept that he is mentally impaired but that he is aware of this and is thus a lot more cautious and the only risk would be of an unexpected event where his response would be noticably slowed. This at least is some sort of argument but still unacceptable.

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by luke.w

I personally don't believe the whole hype of alcohol is lowering ones test levels, you can give me all the studies on rats,mice,and alcholics all day long, it all comes down to hangovers and being an alcholic, of course a full blown alcoholic is going to have low-test levels (thats common sense) (and thats the risk one takes with drinking, it can be addictive), the hangovers the next day will make one unmotavated and tired, however 2 days later your fine so the test levels really aren't lower.

I'll tell you all one thing also, beer is performance enhancer believe it or not, too much will hurt you, but 1,2,3 beers before a workout will enhance your performance (I've bent some of my best steel after a few beers, it's like I could look through the steel, and it melted, I was focused) (I don't do this anymore really, it's just something I found out by accident), your still looking at the same dangers of using "test" you could tear a muscle,tendon, or something else.

I dont believe that and you wont have a study even to poduce for it

[Maxgain]

Fine so lets look at muscle building.

THC supresses gonadotropins reaulting in low test. Recovery takes about 3 days due to an increase of inhibitory neurotransmitters. Prolonged use results in decreased testes size. Fertility decreases protein synthesis from testosterone induced is decreased.

Thus to answer the original question yes it will effect you

[MAURER]

first..... the ecstasy mention only weakens your argument because it is obvious that these drugs are completely different and have a far different effect on both body and mind.

second of all you just said yourself that it is unlikely to get lung cancer from smoking only weed.

third of all im glad police are more strict about alcohol because it's abuse does have a far greater effect on motor skills and reasoning and anyone who argues otherwise is ignorant and either a) hasn't smoked weed or b) hasn't drank alcohol or if they have, not more than 1 drink.

lastly, my statements are based on teh recreational drug use over the course of a few years because i see this as what the original poster was asking about.

[luke.w]

I personally don't believe the whole hype of alcohol is lowering ones test levels, you can give me all the studies on rats,mice,and alcholics all day long, it all comes down to hangovers and being an alcholic, of course a full blown alcoholic is going to have low-test levels (thats common sense) (and thats the risk one takes with drinking, it can be addictive), the hangovers the next day will make one unmotavated and tired, however 2 days later your fine so the test levels really aren't lower.

I'll tell you all one thing also, beer is performance enhancer believe it or not, too much will hurt you, but 1,2,3 beers before a workout will enhance your performance (I've bent some of my best steel after a few beers, it's like I could look through the steel, and it melted, I was focused) (I don't do this anymore really, it's just something I found out by accident), your still looking at the same dangers of using "test" you could tear a muscle,tendon, or something else.

[MAURER]

i don't think drinking in moderation has too much of a negative long term effect i just think that binge drinking has a much higher short term effect than pot.

[Dan C]

Why is it that you seem to condone steroid use but condemn marijuana use, Maxgain?