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Old 11-Jul-06, 05:14 PM   #1
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How does Protein work? ..


Hey hows it going? I got a simple question, well maybe to someone who knows.. ha

Ok I don't understand the hype about protein.. I mean its only like 25grams of protein per serving.. and according to everyone here you need to eat your weight in grams of protein a day.

So I don't understand why taking whey protein powder really helps you gain weight and all that rubbish, what if I just ate chicken.. 135 grams of chicken? Wouldn't that be the same thing.. or I don't understand. Is there more to protein then just the protein?
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Old 11-Jul-06, 05:23 PM   #2
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Consuming 100 calories of protein powder is a lot easier, IMO, than eating 100 calories worth of chicken. That's why lots of people who try to gain weight use it.

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Old 12-Jul-06, 05:44 AM   #3
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you dont need to take the protein powder - unless you are finding it hard to get the protein your body needs from foods alone.

oh and btw 135grams of chicken is not 135grams of protein - its about 30grams - in order to get 135grams of protein from chicken you would have to eat about a pound of it lol
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Old 12-Jul-06, 10:04 AM   #4
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To put it simply, the amino acids that make up protein are the building blocks for muscle. No protein = no muscle building.

Protein powders provide an easily digesting source of protein that won't fill you up nearly as much. They are also convenient and portable. If you can get your daily protein requirement from regular foods then that's fine.

Most people can't consume the optimum amount of protein from whole foods however. Personally I could never consume my required daily protein without 2 or 3 shakes.
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Whey shakes are also a more calorie-conscious way to get as much protein as possible.
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To put it simply, the amino acids that make up protein are the building blocks for muscle. No protein = no muscle building.

Protein powders provide an easily digesting source of protein that won't fill you up nearly as much. They are also convenient and portable. If you can get your daily protein requirement from regular foods then that's fine.

Most people can't consume the optimum amount of protein from whole foods however. Personally I could never consume my required daily protein without 2 or 3 shakes.
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Old 13-Jul-06, 09:22 AM   #7
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I consider protein powders for the most part food, as they are! They are a low in fat, low in carbohydrate, and excellent source of protein.

Some very high quality ones (undenatured forms) have other beneficial properties, whey is great for the immune system, soy for LDL cholesterol lowering properties.

But your run in the mill protein powder is just a great tasting powdered chicken breast
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Alright thanks guys, do you guys have any recommendations on a good tasting protein? From my experince.. I noticed that whey protein doesn't taste as good, it tastes too thick. Like i stated before. Is there a diffrent type of protein? Or...
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There are different types of protein out there. I personally prefer a blend protein (different proteins together) for most of my protein uses (and a specific post-workout drink for right after a workout).

My personal favorites are from Syntrax

Essence, is great and light tasting (also a bit more expensive since it is purely an isolate)

Matrix 5.0, is great tasting and a lot cheaper (5lbs for about 30 bucks) and it never clumps like many of the cheaper proteins do.

Here is some info on most of them it is a bit long, but I figured it would give you all the information you wanted.
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-Whey
The original whey separated from whole milk is actually a mixture of protein, carbohydrate (in the form of lactose), fat, vitamins and minerals. However in any high quality protein powder the lactose is removed as is most or all of the fat (the amount of fat removed depends on if it is an isolate or concentrate see below). The protein component of whey has a long and growing list of benefits including; improved immune function, decreased cancer rates, lower cortisol levels, and lower blood pressure. The extremely high biological value and branched chain amino acid content of whey make it a favorite among bodybuilders and the elderly to retain and build new muscle tissue.

What is the difference between the various isolates and concentrates of whey?
Whey concentrates were the first types of whey available on the market. They generally have 70-80% protein content, with the rest being lactose, fat, and minerals. The advantage to concentrates are that they are a good source of protein with low amounts of fat (about 10% same as a skinless chicken breast), and concentrates are also cheaper to make and thus cheaper to buy. The downside is that they do contain lactose (which if you are lactose intolerant is no good) and for some people dieting they want to limit their fat intake.

Whey isolates are whey concentrates that have been put through another filtration process. They generally contain 90-95% protein and often zero fat and no lactose, however there are several techniques of creating the isolate and they do have important differences.
Ion exchange is one method of creating a very pure whey protein isolate. However in the ion exchange process uses acid and alkali which denatures the proteins in whey (meaning breaking the proteins native shape). It turns out that the native shape of the proteins in whey are extremely important for the various health benefits listed above. So an ion exchange whey is a very pure form of protein, but the unique benefits of the whey are lost.
Other isolating methods that create a very pure whey product include “ultrafiltered isolates” and “cross flow filtrates.” These are new processing methods that allow the manufacturers to get a 90% + pure product while retaining the native or undenatured state of the proteins. The downside is you are going to pay more.

What is Glutathione and its association with whey protein?
Glutathione (GSH) is an extremely important water soluble antioxidant (vitamin C is also a water soluble antioxidant). Whey protein has a unique ability to raise and maintain the bodies GSH levels more so than other proteins, hence its ability to increase the bodies immune system.

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PDCAAS- 1.0
-Casein/Micellar Casein/Milk Protein Isolate
Casein is the predominant protein found in cows’ milk (approximately 80%). The other protein source is whey. While whey protein is digested and absorbed by the body within 2 hours, casein is digested more slowly, up to 7 hours providing your body with a constant supply of protein, something athletes and bodybuilders take advantage of by taking it at night. Other benefits include caseins strong anti-catabolic activities, meaning stopping muscle breakdown, along with its high biological value.

What is micellar casein as compared to casein, or milk protein isolate?
The casein naturally found in raw milk is in a form called micellar casein. Micelles are clusters of in this case casein proteins in their natural undenatured form. When manufacturers want to make a casein protein powder they have two choices, to use acids in order to separate the protein, in which case you lose the micelles and destroy the natural form of the protein, but end up with a cheap way of isolating the protein with little to no fat. On a label you will see these as “casein” or “casein salt.”
The other way, which is superior, is to us an ultra filtration technique that keeps the temperature low, and does not use any chemicals. While it is more expensive to do, you maintain the natural structure of the protein and the micelles with little to no fat. This second type will be called “micellar casein,” or “milk protein isolate.”
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PDCAAS- 1.0

-Soy
Purified from soybeans the benefits of soy protein include: lower cholesterol levels, improve blood lipid profile, and has high levels of glutamine, and can improve thyroid hormone output aiding in weight loss.

What about the estrogenic compounds in soy?
Soy proteins do contain estrogen like compounds, this has two important considerations. The first is that estrogen has a cholesterol lowering effect of which it has been confirmed the estrogen like compounds in soy also have the same effect, when researchers studied rats fed soy with the estrogen compounds and rats fed soy without the estrogen compounds they found the rats eating the soy with the estrogen compounds to have lower cholesterol levels. Also in epidemiological studies in humans it has been noted that people eating soy have lower cholesterol levels.
The second consideration is the possible negative impacts ingesting estrogenic compounds may have for men. This is a little tricky, but researchers have done a great job figuring it out in recent years. It seems that the estrogenic compounds are “tissue specific.” For example a study done on male rhesus monkeys fed soy showed no difference on reproductive hormones (Testosterone, DHEA, testicular weight, prostatic weight, and other measurements as well). This information means that the estrogenic compounds in soy can improve cholesterol levels, lower heart disease risk, and lower cancer risk without having negative effects on male hormone levels.

Soy protein and thyroid output
Soy protein has been found to raise thyroid output in several animals including pigs (which surprisingly are pretty good indicators for human response). This is very good news for dieters since thyroid hormone as what are called “permissive” effects on metabolic rate. Often times when people restrict calories their thyroid hormone levels drop signaling the body’s metabolism to slow down, thus hurting their fat loss efforts. Thus the addition of soy to the diet can help keep the thyroid output up and aid in fat loss.

Is there a difference between soy isolate and soy concentrate
With soy protein there is a significant difference between the isolate and concentrate. Raw soy protein contains what are called “anti-nutrients” which are found in many raw legumes. The specific ones in soy are lectins which can cause inhibit other nutrients absorption, and protease inhibitors, which inhibit the complete digestion of proteins in the intestines and hinder the absorption of their amino acids. These anti-nutrients are removed from soy isolates, but not the concentrates. The anti-nutrients are also rendered inactive when soy is cooked. While it is not a life or death issue for people eating a moderate amount of raw soy (such as raw soybeans), it is advantageous to limit their consumption.
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References:
J Nutr. 1995 Mar;125(3 Suppl):619S-623S.Soy protein, thyroid regulation and cholesterol metabolism.
J Nutr. 1996 Jan;126(1):43-50. Soybean isoflavones improve cardiovascular risk factors without affecting the reproductive system of peripubertal rhesus monkeys.

-Egg (have not written yet but good choice for a slow release protein)

-Rice (great hypoallergenic source, but a bit expensive and usually doesn't mix well)

Processing Methods
-Concentrate
Protein concentrates usually contain 70-80% protein with the other 30-40% of the powder being minerals, fat, and/or carbohydrate depending on the source. A well made concentrate is a high quality source that maintains the natural state of the protein, and for egg proteins only the concentrate is available.

-Isolate
Isolates are protein concentrates that have gone through a second filtration technique. Isolates have 90-96% protein and no fat or carbohydrate in them, but retain most of the minerals. There are two general types available, the first is an ion exchange isolate. Ion exchange is a process of using acids and alkali to separate out the protein, and while it is cheap to make and creates a high protein content product, the proteins lose their natural undenatured state. The other type of isolate is called by several names including “ultra-filtered,” or “cross-flow ultrafiltered,” which is a more expensive process that does not use any chemicals, but you end up with a superior protein product that is extremely pure with no fat or carbohydrate, maintain the minerals and the natural state of the protein.

-Hydrolyzed
Hydrolyzed proteins are highly filtered proteins that are then broken into even smaller fragments, and until recently were made with harsh chemicals and tasted horrible (I really mean horrible). They were and still are used in hospitals for patients with digestive disorders such as crohn’s disease, burn victims, etc… that had malabsorption issues. Recently one company has found a way to enzymatically create a hydrolyzed whey protein that tastes reasonable and is not too expensive. Hydrolyzed proteins really are only applicable for patients in a hospital or directly after a workout since the protein will arrive to the muscles faster than any other protein source, and to date only one company has been able to make a hydrolyzed recovery drink that amazingly tastes better than any other recovery drink on the market.


My personal favorites are from Syntrax

Essence, is great and light tasting (also a bit more expensive since it is purely an isolate)

Matrix 5.0, is great tasting and a lot cheaper (5lbs for about 30 bucks) and it never clumps like many of the cheaper proteins do.
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Old 14-Jul-06, 11:20 PM   #10
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But what about all that cholestrol in Whey Protien???? Doesn't that harm you in some ways??
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But what about all that cholestrol in Whey Protien???? Doesn't that harm you in some ways??
There is very little cholesterol in Whey. Here is the nutritional breakdown for a typical Whey Concentrate (keep in mind too that this is the lowest "grade" of whey, the more refined varieties have no cholesteral whatsoever)

http://66.63.171.49/store/comersus_v...p?idProduct=63

......so 35mg of cholesterol per scoop. To compare, 1 egg has approx. 200mg.

Still worried?
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Old 17-Jul-06, 03:06 PM   #12
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I wasn't worried, I'm 15 years old it's not like it's gonna kill me. But I just thought that on the bottle it said 15% daily value, and I thought damn that's kind of alot. but since you put it that way, I guess, cool then.
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Yea my mother used to take protein for her workouts so shes got some of that high definition powder that I've started using, its really really refined protein it was like 60 bucks :/ yea so no cholestoral or calories.. its got like nothign except protein. Mind you, it tastes gross.. its good though cause a scoop of 35 grams of powder is like 34 grams of protein

Before I used to use N-Large, that was like sickening..its got like 600 calories per serving.. disgusting. I almost puked after drinking a shake of that.
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But calories are good for workout, no? But I wish I had some money, cuz I need to buff up a little and need some protien. THanks!
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But calories are good for workout, no? But I wish I had some money, cuz I need to buff up a little and need some protien. THanks!
Calories are great, but their source is also an important factor. Many of the 600-1000 calorie weight gainer shakes, for example, are loaded with plenty of simple sugar mixed in with some whey protein and artificial flavoring. This would generally be considered a very poor source of calories and nutrients in general. It's sort of like chugging your whey protein with soda or eating a bunch of candy with it. Sugar isn't that bad, especially after a workout, but throwing back 70-100g of it in a shake probably isn't the smartest way to attempt bulking lean muscle.

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