How many grams of protein can you ingest

[bodyshop20]

I thought gout was a alcohol problem, a rich mans disease they used to say.
Its the crystalisation of the blood i believe in lower limbs

[Merrida]

Perhaps the best way to word this is: Your body will not process excess protein in the way you think it will (ie: those who think tons of protein will be converted into tons of muscle). Sure, the body will "use" it, but it cannot "use" it for what those people think it will use it for: (the erroneous assumption that excessively high amounts of protein aid in building massive muscles).

The body CAN only process a certain amount of protein at one time safely without adverse effects and that is science: What the kidneys must do to break down excess protein beyond the maximum number of grams a body can process creates a poisonous nitrogen byproduct.

Yes, it will tax your organs, yes it can be dangerous, and yes you can poison your system (not just get fat from excess protein consumption).

[bodyshop20]

Merrida, you have it in a nut shell.
Very good reply

[Lady C]

Originally Posted by bodyshop20

I thought gout was a alcohol problem, a rich mans disease they used to say.
Its the crystalisation of the blood i believe in lower limbs

MYTH!
Gout is from excess uric acid in your body (build-up from a diet high in purines). It is mostly genetic. Drinking alcohol dehyrates your muscles which increases the symptoms of gout. Gout attacks the joints in the extremeties mostly but can attack the knees and shoulders too.

[bodyshop20]

Thank you for the enlightenment on gout Lady c x.
Always respect yr replies as i know it will be correct

[westside24]

Originally Posted by .V.

The body will process whatever you put into it with the exception of some nondigestable fiber. This includes protein, it will process EVERY gram. Now the question is...what does it do with it? Well, that answer is pretty simple. It uses what it needs for muscle synthesis and muscle repair. Then...what does it do? Goes through the process called glucogenesis - conversion to glucose. That's right, excess protein becomes carbohydrate in the simplest form of sugar there is. Then if the blood glucose is elevated, it is stored as glycogen. If the glycogen stores are full...then it is stored as body fat. But it will be used in some way by the body.

So to say, "the body can't process it" is absolute BS. Perhaps to say "the body doesn't need it" would be more accurate. And no, it is not harmful to healthy kidneys or liver. Can you consume too much? Sure you can. Will it harm your organs? Nope. Will it make you fat? Absolutely. But then...so will excess of anything you eat.

Lemme take a crack at this... carlon colker says something like, In reality High Based carbs are actually bad for you, obviously alot of people will agree grains are bad... so when bulking up you can still do so without the use of a billion carbs a day, by using the 1.5g protien per lb method, and that extra protien that doesnt get absorbed that is converted to...carbs, which is what all these get bigger diets are aimed at anyways, is taking in alot of carbs. see what im sayin??? im not sure if that makes sense, if you are consuming a higher level of protien, then maybe youll be fine if you cut alot of the grains, and high based carbs from your diet, caz then the extra protien will act as carbs anyways.... I read these books so many times, and still find myself having to borrow them again to find the answeres over and over again. which I didnt re-read this, im just trying to recall.......some1 comment!

[.V.]

But...if you want to get bigger by consuming more carbs for more insulin response, then it would make more sense to eat more well ummm carbs. Quicker, easier, no need for glucogenesis. My only mention of that was because of the sillyness which was being said about how terrible excess protein was and how the body simply cannot utilize it. It will utilize it in some way, even if that was is to make you fat.

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by .V.

But...if you want to get bigger by consuming more carbs for more insulin response, then it would make more sense to eat more well ummm carbs. Quicker, easier, no need for glucogenesis. My only mention of that was because of the sillyness which was being said about how terrible excess protein was and how the body simply cannot utilize it. It will utilize it in some way, even if that was is to make you fat.

Why? This way I get a glucose source as a timed release with a low insulin response. Ideal for when in calories excess in my opinion.

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by Merrida

The body CAN only process a certain amount of protein at one time safely without adverse effects and that is science: What the kidneys must do to break down excess protein beyond the maximum number of grams a body can process creates a poisonous nitrogen byproduct.

No the body will get rid of all Nitrogen from amino acids whether it is "in excess of needs" or not as urea nitrogen

What is this certain safe amount according to science? Unless we are talking about true extremes we may as well ask how long is a piece of string. We all know many people consuming 300gs protein day without problem.

It is just important for an adequate amount of water for detoxifying purposes.

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by Lady C

MYTH!
Gout is from excess uric acid in your body (build-up from a diet high in purines). It is mostly genetic. Drinking alcohol dehyrates your muscles which increases the symptoms of gout. Gout attacks the joints in the extremeties mostly but can attack the knees and shoulders too.

Actually common thinking is;
that when alcohol is converted to lactic acid, it reduces the amount of uric acid that is removed from the body through the kidneys. This is because the lactic acid competes with the uric acid for removal from the kidneys into the urine
it is also thought that increased levels of ethanol in the body increases the body's production of uric acid by increasing the amount of ATP that is converted to AMP - a precursor of uric acid.

[westside24]

Originally Posted by Maxgain

Why? This way I get a glucose source as a timed release with a low insulin response. Ideal for when in calories excess in my opinion.

see what he said! I think that relates to what I said! Yes! I know im not right necessarily, that just means for me im starting to remember the stuff I read. I really like this subject.

[.V.]

Originally Posted by Maxgain

Why? This way I get a glucose source as a timed release with a low insulin response. Ideal for when in calories excess in my opinion.

Why? Because insulin is the most anabolic hormone of them all in the human body. If you want to grow, then go for the insulin spike post workout when the muscles are craving nutrients. Big workout + big simple carb intake = big insulin spike at the right time. This = bigger muscles without insulin causing fat gains.

Simply put (yet again), it will make you grow. At the right time it gives muscle growth. At the wrong time it gives fat growth. But either way, you will grow. Remember when I gained the 30lbs and lowered the body fat percentage last year? How else is it possible to do without drugs? Carb management and insulin management. Let it go and don't pay precise attention...then you get what I've done in the last 7 months. Fat and sloppy looking.

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by .V.

Why? Because insulin is the most anabolic hormone of them all in the human body. If you want to grow, then go for the insulin spike post workout when the muscles are craving nutrients. Big workout + big simple carb intake = big insulin spike at the right time. This = bigger muscles without insulin causing fat gains.

Simply put (yet again), it will make you grow. At the right time it gives muscle growth. At the wrong time it gives fat growth. But either way, you will grow. Remember when I gained the 30lbs and lowered the body fat percentage last year? How else is it possible to do without drugs? Carb management and insulin management. Let it go and don't pay precise attention...then you get what I've done in the last 7 months. Fat and sloppy looking.

The only time this is preferable is during or post workout. Even still the difference versus complex carbs postworkout has never been proven to be significant.
As we know is what we eat pre workout that starts the repair process and is already digested. A normal workout would not have a heavy need for huge carb intake afterwards.

At all other times in the day I do not think high insulin raises is preferable. Protein sythesis will be the rate determining step and chances are in calries surplus you will exceed this need and promote fat storage.
Fat and muscle are both fueled through the same glut 4 receptors. ITs all about effective nutrient partitioning

[.V.]

You notice that we are kind of saying the same thing don't ya? But again for someone who's goal is just to get bigger or stronger, I would not forgo the carbs. Take a look at Todd's pics. A natural bodybuilder. Eats a hell of a lot more carbs than I ever would, still looks great. Time it right and they are good. Even though most of the time I'm one of the lowest carb eaters on this board, I'm not gonna say they are the devil or they are bad. Quite to the contrary, they have a very important place in muscle growth. I just time mine a little differently than most ppl.

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by .V.

You notice that we are kind of saying the same thing don't ya?

Yup but I had got myself going so ........