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13-Dec-07, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by .V.
You notice that we are kind of saying the same thing don't ya? But again for someone who's goal is just to get bigger or stronger, I would not forgo the carbs. Take a look at Todd's pics. A natural bodybuilder. Eats a hell of a lot more carbs than I ever would, still looks great. Time it right and they are good. Even though most of the time I'm one of the lowest carb eaters on this board, I'm not gonna say they are the devil or they are bad. Quite to the contrary, they have a very important place in muscle growth. I just time mine a little differently than most ppl.
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Carbs arent the devil.........no, Grains are the devil! thats all I was saying if anyone was payin attention to me  ! ha! instead of taking in grains which arent all that healthy (whole grains are in moderation) you can eat more protien (it was suggested) to make up for the carbs needed to add lean wieght/muscle, and provide the energy needed daily. somethin like that
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14-Dec-07, 11:15 AM
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I know that the "recommended" amount of protein intake for "the average adult" is different than that for the bodybuilder, and also, often the AMA makes their recommendations without taking into consideration that some people on higher protein diets may actually know something about nutrition.
I'm a higher protein person myself, so my questions are both subjective, and based on curiosity as I ask for info for those much more educated than myself in this subject: It increases uric acid and urea in the blood, toxic by-products recognized as poison by the body, and broken down by the body flushing the kidneys with water (which it usually takes by dehydrating your muscles and organs from their water), flushing the urinary tract, and one side effect from this type of dehydration is mineral depletion, such as a loss of calcium.
Does this make high protein diets more dangerous for women to be on since we are at a higher risk especially as we get older of osteoporosis? Or for our safety, if we opt for high protein, should we stick to vegetable based protein (like soy) instead of meat or dairy based?
The leached minerals get deposited in the kidneys, which often can take years (another reason why people may not necessarily notice negative impacts for quite a while).
Excessive protein (which I suppose must be defined individually but for the AMA it's considered more than 15% of your daily caloric intake).
Finally, when determining protein intake it seems many people use bodyweight pounds, when the formulas I've read about recomment between .8 to 1.4 grams of protein per KG of bodyweight (not per pound)....so for those using pounds in their math formulas gauging protein, what are the potential detrimental effects other than getting fat, mineral loss, kidney stones, toxins in the body, possible elevated cholesteral if you consume high meat/dairy to get your protein?
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15-Dec-07, 07:46 AM
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As time goes by max, i can see the real man behind the cover.
You actually do know yr stuff, nice reply
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17-Dec-07, 10:30 AM
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Every so often I pop up with something inciteful. There was a time when my posts were full of science and refs. Now people can just search and I will just makes quips and standalone comments.
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