I cant get a good burn with my biceps - Page 2

**threenorns** · 22-Jul-05, 09:40 PM

if you overtrain the muscle, minute scars can form among the muscle fibres causing the muscle to contract in size. yes, it's more dense, but it's not stronger - it's damaged.

the reason i suggested the low volume for you [aside from being an addict myself] is because you've already done the high-volume, dropset, shock thing and it's not working. by backing off some, you give the muscles a chance to catch their breath, as it were.

whiteblaze · 22-Jul-05, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by threenorns

if you overtrain the muscle, minute scars can form among the muscle fibres causing the muscle to contract in size. yes, it's more dense, but it's not stronger - it's damaged.

the reason i suggested the low volume for you [aside from being an addict myself] is because you've already done the high-volume, dropset, shock thing and it's not working. by backing off some, you give the muscles a chance to catch their breath, as it were.

hmmm... makes perfect sense...

Vas85 · 24-Jul-05, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by maverick

Do a double dropset (8, 10,12) of concentration curls before your normal bicep workout. If you don't feel a pump during your workout and soreness after, your form must be off or you are faking failure. Cheat reps can also help really blow out a muscle too, and back/bicep workouts are prime for these. Only resort to them AFTER failure with good form.

Hahahah i like that one 'if you dont feel a pump during your workout and soreness after, your form must be of or you are faking failure..' LOL....

Honestly since your doing back and bi's on the same day, why dont you do 6sets to positive failure of chinups Under 4sets and overhand 2sets, i don't think there is any other movement that will pump and grow your biceps more than Chinups, as they are compound movements, and you are using half your bodyweight on each bicep, alot more weight than you would curl on a barbell or in a dumbell invidiually, way more, and provided the rest of your workouts work the forearms fine, you should build impressive biceps.

Then you can proceed to your backwork, and you will have had to had the best pump ever.

whiteblaze · 24-Jul-05, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vas85

Then you can proceed to your backwork, and you will have had to had the best pump ever.

I will definitely try chinups/pullups. But, shouldn't I workout my back first? I don't think I will be able to workout my back well enough if my biceps are toast (just like triceps before bench).

Vas85 · 25-Jul-05, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by whiteblaze

I will definitely try chinups/pullups. But, shouldn't I workout my back first? I don't think I will be able to workout my back well enough if my biceps are toast (just like triceps before bench).

Remember when you train your back, you should use a hook grip, straps maybe?, hooks?. You want to minimise the bicep involvement in back movements and transfer it to your back by those different techniques of holding the weight. That way you aren't taxing your biceps too much compared to your back.

whiteblaze · 25-Jul-05, 05:06 AM

vas85, I'm not sure I follow. I have never used hooks or straps. I've seen guys use the gloves with straps, is that what you're talking about?

EDIT: couple more questions about rest. What is the difference between waiting 1 min as opposed to 2 min? and how long should I wait until the next workout of the same muscle (ex. bench to decline to incline...)? Thanks!

P.S. Tonight at the gym I waited 2 min between sets and it was great I was able to lift cleaner and not struggle so much. I felt even better when leaving the gym! (Although stupid me forgot to take a copy of my workout routine for today and I missed a few excercises, but I still feel good).

scud · 25-Jul-05, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by whiteblaze

vas85, I'm not sure I follow. I have never used hooks or straps. I've seen guys use the gloves with straps, is that what you're talking about?

by a hook grip i guess he meant a thumbless grip (your thumb is on the same side of the bar or rod as your other fingers as distinct from having your thumb going over the bar) not the hook or straps stuff

Vas85 · 25-Jul-05, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by scud

by a hook grip i guess he meant a thumbless grip (your thumb is on the same side of the bar or rod as your other fingers as distinct from having your thumb going over the bar) not the hook or straps stuff

Thx for clarifying it Scud ::thumbs up::

whiteblaze · 25-Jul-05, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by scud

by a hook grip i guess he meant a thumbless grip (your thumb is on the same side of the bar or rod as your other fingers as distinct from having your thumb going over the bar) not the hook or straps stuff

oh, yea, I always use the hook grip. I don't remember why (maybe thats how I learned), but its more comfortable and I think I heard it puts less strain on my wrists and hand? I guess.

**Gooseneck** · 25-Jul-05, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamrock

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Try the standing curls. Use the cable crossover towers and raise them to the next notch above shoulder height. Curl your arms inwards with a light weight. I use it at the end of my bicep/back day.

Me too. I often go a little heavier on my left side as to help even out my bi's.

: Proper form and mind to muscle concentration will greatly improve your results.