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Old 20-Jul-03, 09:02 PM   #1
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Introduction to endurance training


I need to start improving my aerobic performance and need some advice on how to transition to this state effeciently.

I really dislike doing cardio outside of martial arts, but I really need to start running again. As an ex-soccer player I can run very fast and recover quickly but I still suffer when running long distances, as there is more of a chance for my breathing pattern to suffer. I also haven't played for quite some time so even running a mile straight is very exhausting to me and I find it quite sad... I don't get tired nearly as fast when fighting.

What should I do do slowly raise my running ability? If I push myself even slightly hard on cardio my ears keep needing to be popped and it's hard to hear things for the rest of the day; as a constant sound of "wind" is stuck in my head.

I also have a very difficult time gaining weight and would not like to lose the muscle I already have.
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Old 20-Jul-03, 09:04 PM   #2
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On second though, I don't really recover quickly. I just push myself and keep running even though I'm in pain (in soccer). I used to always breath really fast and only through my mouth so I was constantly in pain but never stopped

I must either be very determined or very stupid.
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Old 21-Jul-03, 08:44 PM   #3
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Monday: Back & Shoulders
Tuesday: Cardio (low intensity, long distance)
Wednesday: Chest, Triceps & Waist
Thursday: Cardio (HIIT)
Friday: Legs & Biceps
Saturday: Rest
Sunday: Rest

I'll eat a large meal two hours before cardio and a shake afterwards. This will help me keep my current LMB. Correct?
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Old 22-Jul-03, 08:52 AM   #4
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The basic layout of your plan is very good. Clearly you have given this some thought. It doesn't show the martial arts work, so I'll assume you aren't doing it at the moment.

If you can't run a mile at this point, though, then perhaps you should postpone the HIIT work for a while. Building a minimal base of cardio fitness first is much more likely to let you adapt successfully to the routine.

If you want to push things along on the fast side:

Tuesday - pretty much as you describe it; effort level - conversation would be somewhat interrupted by the need to breath, but not badly so; start out keeping the distance short (something you can manage pretty easily) and add no more than 10% per week.

Thursday - Push the tempo somewhat harder than Tues, so conversation is inconvenient but still barely manageable - no harder than this, though. Again, keep the duration easily doable at first and add gradually. This day should always be shorter (60-75% of the total time) than Tuesday.

This should serve you well for at least 6 weeks. Then you might consider making Thursday interval day. Even then (and for a while at least) keep the work periods of the intervals longish - 90 sec to 2 minutes - and the effort level at what would be described as "hard", something you could probably do continuously about 15 minutes if you tried but likely not a half hour. Start out doing no more than 4 of these work periods per session and add them gradually until you are doing perhaps 6-8.

As is often the case with resistance exercise, many people try to go at aerobic work too hard at first and never work out a plan they can live with. You know better than I what your own tendencies are, but it sounds like you might be one of these people.The adaptations required take weeks to develop so have some patience.

As for loss of muscle, every body is different but I'll stick my neck out and suggest you have nothing to worry about here. Your eating strategy is sound and should work fine for you.

Finally, about 3 million years of evolution makes running one of THE distinguishing capabilities of humanity, but if running really doesn't agree with you then please consider one of the many alternative forms of aerobic exercise. My experience is that people benefit greatly from finding something they enjoy. Life is too short to compromise on this point.

Be well,
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Old 22-Jul-03, 11:16 PM   #5
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Just got back from gym.

03 min @ 4.5mph
10 min @ 6.5mph
36 min @ 6.0mph
01 min @ 10.0mph

Total: 5.2 miles
47 min @ 6.0+mph


Decent for first real cardio? This is the most I've ever sweated in my entire life


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Old 23-Jul-03, 12:24 AM   #6
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I just took my resting heart rate and it ranges from 100-120 bpm... I must be doing something wrong? No matter where I take it (count 17-20 beats in 10 seconds) it turns out to be around the same.

This seems a bit high. Any advice on getting an accurate reading?

Edit: Went to the grocery store and used their blood pressure machine. My systolic and diastolic blood pressure ranged greatly. At first it was 130/83 then 160/90 then 100/66... these machines seem pretty much useless. On average my heart rate was 106.

I'll take it again tommorow to be sure. But at the moment I feel great.

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Old 23-Jul-03, 08:23 AM   #7
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That sounds like a good start, more volume than I would have expected based on your original post. I presume you dropped from 6.5 to 6 mph because you felt the higher speed was too much. What did each feel like?

The 1 minute at 10 mph says something about your personality

Your heart rate is higher than average, but by itself that doesn't mean much. (Are you on medication?) Best way to check your resting rate is before rising from bed when you wake. Count for at least 20 seconds if you want to be accurate.
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Old 23-Jul-03, 11:03 AM   #8
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Take your resting heart rate first thing in the morning, before getting out of bed and after a good nights sleep. After you run five miles your heart rate and metab will remain elevated for hours... not a good time to judge your RHR.
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The 1 minute at 10 mph says something about your personality
I don't know if thats a good or bad thing

When I was laying in bed it my heart rate was around 70, now on the computer it's around 81 and I'm not on any medication. In junior high my resting heart rate was 45-55 and I could run the mile in 5:50. They had us run a mile every other day in PE.

6.5mph: seemed fine but at 10 minutes I realized how long 50 mionutes really is and was beginning to have stomach cramps (plagued me in soccer)

6.0mph: after 20 minutes I started to have trouble keeping my breathing pattern steady so I concentrated on it. At 30 minutes it suddenly became very eay to control my breathing! At first my exhales were uneven sounding (slow-fast-slow-fast-slow-fast) then they became completely even (slow and steady). The entire time I could talk but would have to stop to correct my breathing pattern (which would start to get too fast).

I accidently hit the pause button twice so I upped the speed to 7.0 and 7.5 for a minute to make up for the lost time. When I raised it to 10mph for the last stretch I ran for a little over a minute then accidently hit the stop button (damn hands) and the treadmill stopped suddenly, I started to cough and almost lost it on the floor So I had to hurry and get the machine started again so I could cool-down. I wish the treadmill went past 10mph.

When I finished and got off the treadmill it felt like I was floating. It felt very odd and I couldn't even feel my body move when I walked, like I was floating along the ground.

I decided to up the length of tuesdays cardio to 60 minutes and thursday to 36. Not sure what speed I should aim for though, is there any equation to estimate this?

The entire time I was like: it's only been 10/20/30/35/40/50 minutes! I think I need music or something to pass the time, or should this be avoided?

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Old 24-Jul-03, 09:14 AM   #10
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My opinion (take it for what it's worth):

1) The floating thing has me worried a bit. I wouldn't be upping the duration so soon. Sounds like your effort level is good for now, though.

2) Your resting heart rate is normal for an untrained individual. It will probably drop quickly as you train your C/V system. Check it regularly - it is one of the best indicators of overtraining (noticably higher than normal means you need a rest day).

3) Distractions like music are a matter of personal taste. For me, I don't do it, but rather use the time as chance to tune in to the experience - breathing, rhythm, etc. It's meditative.

It is risky to draw conclusions based on this communication medium, but you seem to be a bit compulsive. This can be used in life to your advantage sometimes but this is not one of those times. Patience, my good man! Slow progress is infinitely preferable.

BTW, 10 mph corresponds to the same 6 minute miles you used to run in high school. Think about that.
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Old 24-Jul-03, 05:42 PM   #11
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I'll take it at this pace for now then. Going to run at about 7mph today or a bit higher if it seems too slow.

Mon: 50 minutes
Tue: 30 minutes

My heart rate at the moment is 81 and it doesn't fluctuate as much as it did the other day (I could feel to quicken and slow down as I counted, not today).

I believe the floating has to do with the amount of oxygen I'm inhaling. My entire life I've breathed only through my mouth until I started training harder in martial arts (less then a year ago) and I get a similar feeling when taking slow deep breaths while sitting.

I love weight training but in my mind I find this actually more important at the moment, I feel improving my c/v endurance will help me greatly in all aspects of my life, including my lifting.

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Old 25-Jul-03, 06:37 PM   #12
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Had to skip thursdays cardio and my workout on friday. On wednesday my left foot started to hurt (right side of left foot) when i wore a shoe, now it hurts badly at all times, especially when touched or stepped on.

Damn.

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Old 29-Jul-03, 10:33 AM   #13
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I remember reading somewhere that the best way to calculate your heart rate is to take it upon waking for three days in a row, then work out the average by adding the numbers together and dividing the total by 3.
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