whats the best way to do dumbell shoulder presses??

[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by Cort

I've never felt anything strange or overly-stressful in my joints when bringing the bar to my chest. It feels as natural as doing a bench press.

No it doesn't.

[Cort]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

By the way, when the bar is on your chest and ur doing military presses, notice how your elbows have to swing outward before they move up...that's not a good thing. You're working against your own body. Also notice how when the bar is on your chest, your delts arent flexed...now what's holding the weight there? DO you really want your joints taking the full brunt of that?

Part of my chest and my delts stay supportive through the entire movement. Just like the bench press, during the military press I keep my elbows tucked in. There's no outward movement.

Originally Posted by Firehawk

No it doesn't.

I'm just speaking from my personal experience with the lift.

[Firehawk]

The elbows naturally travel in an arc when you bring the weight down below your chin. I dont care if you tuck ur elbows, have them in front of you, or on the side of you.

[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by Cort

Part of my chest and my delts stay supportive through the entire movement. Just like the bench press, during the military press I keep my elbows tucked in. There's no outward movement.



I'm just speaking from my personal experience with the lift.

Me 2.

[Cort]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

The elbows naturally travel in an arc when you bring the weight down below your chin. I dont care if you tuck ur elbows, have them in front of you, or on the side of you.

My point was that any outward movement is small, and it never forces you to move your elbows out from under supporting your forearms. I don't see how there is any awkward stress, at least no more than would be present in any other pressing movement. It's not like the lift forces anyone into a <o> position.

[Firehawk]

WEll you guys keep doing them your way and i'll do them my way.

Sorry to disappoint anyone that thought my 190 x 6 military press was to my chest.

I bring the bar to about the bridge of my nose or so.

[Bajwa_99]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

WEll you guys keep doing them your way and i'll do them my way.

Sorry to disappoint anyone that thought my 190 x 6 military press was to my chest.

I bring the bar to about the bridge of my nose or so.

aren't you usually supposed to bring the bar down to your neck right under chin?? that's the way it's stated on the AST website. Also another thing do you have to keep your back totally neutral when doing either db or seated military presses?? cuz sometimes I end up arching my lower back.

[luke.w]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

I dont know, people generally tilt their head back and look up when doing overhead presses while standing don't they?

A seated press station has a short bench thats 90° so that you can be upright but tilt your head back.

I dont really know what ur trying to argue anymore. Just sounds like different ways to do something.

I still disagree with doing a military press down to your chest. While people train that way and most PL gyms do things differently, thre's a point where it's fine to train something different, and then train something in a matter that increases injury risk. Weightlifting in general puts you at more risk. Some movements are more risky than others. That's not what we are really talking about in this case though. We're talking about the ways of doing the movement and if one's safer than the other, AND if you're relaly working your delts as hard by going down to your chest as opposed to bringing down till your upper arms are parallel with the floor. I say your delts get worked harder the way I do it. I say your joints get the brunt of it from the chest to the forehead.

By the way, when the bar is on your chest and ur doing military presses, notice how your elbows have to swing outward before they move up...that's not a good thing. You're working against your own body. Also notice how when the bar is on your chest, your delts arent flexed...now what's holding the weight there? DO you really want your joints taking the full brunt of that?

anyone who looks up while perfroming overhead work doesn't know much about overhead work........sorry, but it's true.

I'm arguing over missinformation, if I didn't everyone would think lowering the barbell and locking out is bad......it's not.

you do things differantly at your gym, for your competitive lifts only, therefor you lack some education in weightlifting.......sorry, but it's true.

you may hit your front delts harder when the bar/weight is out in front, but that is more dangerous to the joints,tendons,connective tissues of the arms than inline with the body, again more weightlifting education needed.....sorry but it's true.
saying not going down below the chin doesn't work the entire shoulder is like saying halfsquats are better than atg squats, going only to the nose does blast the tris though.

my shoulders stay flexed on strict pressing even below the chin/upper chest, if the elbows go out to the side than you lack flexibility, the bigger your arms are the more flexibility work on the shoulders one needs......sorry, but it's true.

if it hurts it's eithier overtraining of the shoulders or flexibilty.

[Firehawk]

Then my powerlifting gym lacks education in weightlifting.

We do shoulder presses to build muscle on our shoulder girdle. And of course, it works the shoulders.

Where did anyone say bringing the bar lower doesnt work the entire shoulder? My God.

Anyway, continue the discussion. I'm sure you will. I need to focus on my competition for now. Not going to get worked up over this petty little crap.

[Dan C]

You need to look for education in other places than your PL gym, Firehawk. And the things you do learn from there (I'm sure there is much to learn), you need not swallow bait, line and hook.

[Firehawk]

Yeah yeah. They are one of the best gyms in the world to train at. It's pretty stupid not to take advice that they give. I do have training DVD's from westside, guess that counts huh?

And, it's not just that i am being lead blindly, it makes sense to me. And i already explained why.

Bottom line is, I don't agree with you or Luke on this matter, period ( i know you hate it when people disagree, since it's your way, no highway option). Let it be at that.

[Firehawk]

Anyways Dan and Luke, and the rest, best of luck in what you do and how you do it. I don't want to argue anymore. And I'm not going to.

Thanks for all the help in the past with my questions and I hope I've somehow helped you guys...

Cya.

[Dan C]

Actually, I like it when people disagree. It forces me to evaluate my stance on the topic being discussed. It wasn't me that said, "Obviously, I know what I'm talking about." That was you.

And that was my first post in this thread, so how is it you "disagree with me on this matter, period" when you don't even know my thoughts???

[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by Dan C

Actually, I like it when people disagree. It forces me to evaluate my stance on the topic being discussed. It wasn't me that said, "Obviously, I know what I'm talking about." That was you.

And that was my first post in this thread, so how is it you "disagree with me on this matter, period" when you don't even know my thoughts???

Because you and luke are up each other's ass.

I remember saying that, again, you took it out of context. It had to do with dieting, but whatever Dan. Which i still think i knwo what im doing. 70+ lbs of fat loss wasn't a fluke.

[Dan C]

Up each other's ass, huh? That's wasn't a very nice thing to say.

Let me ask you one more question (and I apologize since I know you don't like being questioned)...

When you made the statement you did, "Obviously, I know what I'm talking about" in retrospect, did you?