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Old 15-Oct-07, 05:30 PM   #16
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Well put, and exactly thought out....I often feel like I'm the last resort because I'm so expensive to work with while that little ole X-Press Line is a freebie, included with your membership (and some ginsu knives).
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Old 16-Oct-07, 12:24 PM   #17
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that little ole X-Press Line is a freebie, included with your membership (and some ginsu knives).
But wait! Call in the next 30 mins, and we'll throw in a free X-press line membership for someone in your family!
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Old 16-Oct-07, 07:00 PM   #18
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But wait! Call in the next 30 mins, and we'll throw in a free X-press line membership for someone in your family!

And if you're caller number 10 we'll include an ACME slicer and dicer! Look, it can cut through a tin can!
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Old 06-Dec-07, 05:50 PM   #19
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[quote=Merrida;388146]Orky, I'm with you and I totally get it,

Nevermind the Quote I didnt wanna quote you, I juist wanted your attention.....I find my self lifting my legs up on alot of the machines anyways, I am 6 foot, I do line up with any of the machines I use, But say the military press on the smith machine for example I cross my legs and hold them up, so I get the feeling of trying to balance myself more.... I wouldnt do this on a real military press with dumbells because you are balancing yourself more, and I dont wanna fall over...does that make sense? ok so now I wanna ask someone??? is that bad to do??? lol......caz if it is ill stop...
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Old 07-Dec-07, 05:55 PM   #20
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Nevermind the Quote I didnt wanna quote you, I juist wanted your attention.......

Okay. You have my attention. I would not lift my legs up when lifting, although I do understand why you're doing it. You are doing it exactly for the reason that many trainers (at our club) support people doing their exercises while seated when their legs cannot touch the ground: Because you use your core more.

However, it depends on your goals and the current state of your back and any potential weaknesses in your back. Legs dangling is not stable. Legs crossed and you risk uneven development (yet I still see crossed legs at the gym,....). Feet not touching the floor will limit your grounding and support, preventing you from lifting as heavy as you might otherwise.

Personally I bag the minimal core work you get to focus more effort on my lifts, (your core works in all lifts anyway, especially the more you use free weights, and you end up using your core in a more functional way).

I do, I must say, have people cross their ankles if they insist on using a machine (like our handy dandy X-Press Line) that has most people dangling their feet over the edge because in doing so, it releaves the pull on the lumbosacral area of your spine.

Just try it both ways and see. You can FEEL a dramatic release of pressure on your spine when you cross your ankles instead of dangling your legs & feet straight.

This is a very different scenario than you hiking your legs up from the hip flexors and drawing your knees inward. (But personally I'd avoid that, and any other position which may contribute to kyphotic posture, even if it's temporary,...and before someone jumps on me for saying kyphotic, watch the whole spine in this movement and note how the dorsal spine reacts when reverse lordosis occurs in the lumbars).

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Old 07-Dec-07, 06:51 PM   #21
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it seems to me that what those trainers are suggesting does not really "work" your core as much as it puts the core under an awkward stress which i agree will only have negative effects on your spine.
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it seems to me that what those trainers are suggesting does not really "work" your core as much as it puts the core under an awkward stress which i agree will only have negative effects on your spine.

You make a valid point, and these trainers use the terms interchangably, and erroneously. You hit the nail on the head. It's not so much that sitting in a machine (such as a seated chest press or seated lat pull) "works" your core, as much as it "engages" it. But I believe the cost of engaging your core in that manner just isn't worth any minute benefits you may inadvertently derive.


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