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Old 27-Jul-05, 03:10 AM   #16
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lmao

I like how you threw pork in the middle of McDonald's, sugar, and candy, you ****ing douchebag. And I don't even know what to say about your FDA rant. Keep on posting though, I can always use a good laugh.


Oh... so DO the people in Japan eat pork? Why do we have to answer questions for you?
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Old 27-Jul-05, 03:28 AM   #17
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Believe what you want, Kennedy was shot by aliens. Everyone has a right to an opinion!

P.S. apples are a tool of communist russia, invented in the late 30's for reconnaissance.
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Old 27-Jul-05, 04:27 AM   #18
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a pig has more than one cut of meat

Pork: Fresh, tenderloin, lean & fat, roasted
modest(very) 4 oz serving, not trimming the fat

Calories 197 ( Kilojoules 821 )
% Daily
Value*
Total Fat 6.8 g 10%
Saturated Fat 2.4 g 12%
Cholesterol 90 mg 30%
Sodium 62 mg 3%
Total Carbohydrates 0 g 0%
Dietary Fiber 0 g 0%
Sugars 0 g
Protein 31.6 g
Calcium 6.8 mg
Potassium 491.9 mg

OMG WATCH OUT OBESITY! lmao

damn, you keep trying to link pork to everything bad, and it ain't workin. America is fat because of calorie dense foods and refined sugars and a lack of exercise, pork is just meat, 4 calories per gram of protein and 9 calories per gram of fat, and depending on the cut of meat you're eating, can be very minimal. Pork is not a frickin conspiracy, it's just another animal that is easy to farm.

and as for japan lol, http://www.fas.usda.gov/dlp2/circula...03LP/pork.html

"Japan’s pork imports in 2001 are forecast at 955,000 tons, up 3 percent from 2000. Despite its lagging economy, Japan, the world’s largest pork importing country, continues to demonstrate strong demand for pork as imported pork products are becoming more competitive against domestically produced products. A slowing economy is also benefitting pork consumption as consumers are likely to shift to less-expensive products to satisfy their meat demand."


your arguments are really lacking any kind of substance, it took me 5 seconds on google to find that page, come on now, you can do better
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Old 27-Jul-05, 06:22 AM   #19
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i don't eat pork either - personal choice because we raised pigs when i was a kid. they weren't in cramped quarters like you described: they were kept outdoors in large open-air pens, then brought in at night into a proper barn with large stalls lined with fresh hay that was swept out and replaced each and every morning without fail. guess how i know that?

chicken is not better than beef for the reason you describe - sure, beef has e.coli, but so do we - it's in our guts. chicken, however, is rife with salmonella. you've probably had salmonella poisoning yourself and didn't know it - ever have the "24 hr flu" with the runs and stomach cramps? that wasn't flu, which is a respiratory ailment; that was food poisoning, most likely brought on by salmonella.

the most common transmitter of trichinosis is not pork - it's cats, which outnumber pigs by about a billion to one and are found in just about every home.

in canada, our cattle are NOT raised with hormones - it's illegal. organic animals are very common: the only time they're given antibiotics is when they're actually sick. i can drive 15 minutes in any direction and pass four farms with cows, sheep, [insert farm animal of choice] outside in the sun chomping on grass and scratching their asses on pine trees. we had a buffalo farm until the guy died and the kids weren't interested in keeping it up and we even have a place where you can go hunt wild boar - they're running around loose in the bush in a large fenced-in property.

soya contains significant levels of estrogen-like compounds. should be pretty evident why male bodybuilders might want to limit consumption.

don't get me wrong: your list is not a bad idea. it's just you might want to make sure you include hard references instead of generalized half-remembered knowledge from less than reputable sources.

btw: salmon ROCKS. i eat it every day when i get the chance.
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Old 27-Jul-05, 07:57 AM   #20
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Geez I havent heard of a trichinosis fear since my parents talked about the big scares of their younger days ! I eat pork - It's the other white meat.

One thing you should be careful of is that if you have a wheat sensitivity and are turning to corn and rice you could develop a sensitivity there too. Corn is especially allergenic.

Moderation and variety go along way.
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Old 27-Jul-05, 08:41 AM   #21
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I have to disagree with salmon and pork statements
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Old 27-Jul-05, 08:49 AM   #22
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im basing this off one of my children being very sick for 3 years

we went to a homeopathic doctor, he told us to stop eating everyone of those 10 things on the list

within weeks my daughters sickness was gone - prior to the homeopathic doctor we had gone to every hospitol and medical doctor we could find

all of them ran tests which never helped, and never came up with anything useful

those 3 years of my life were the worst, nothing is worse than loosing a child which we were fearing, ever since I have been trying to get to people about these bad foods, currently my wife is going to school to be a homeopathic doctor so she can help people the same way we were helped by a homeopathic doctor

we cut wheat, sugar, yeast, pork, beef, fast food, and a few other things out of our diet and it helped so much

no one in the house (out of my family, 4 people) have been sick since, we dont take any antibiotics (except what the schools require) no flu shots because we are not at risk.

Take it how you want it but I firmly believe that everyone should cut these foods from thier diets.
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Old 27-Jul-05, 09:30 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by jallen
and as for japan lol, http://www.fas.usda.gov/dlp2/circula...03LP/pork.html

"Japan’s pork imports in 2001 are forecast at 955,000 tons, up 3 percent from 2000. Despite its lagging economy, Japan, the world’s largest pork importing country, continues to demonstrate strong demand for pork as imported pork products are becoming more competitive against domestically produced products. A slowing economy is also benefitting pork consumption as consumers are likely to shift to less-expensive products to satisfy their meat demand."


your arguments are really lacking any kind of substance, it took me 5 seconds on google to find that page, come on now, you can do better
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Old 27-Jul-05, 09:43 AM   #24
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Jallen it says in there that pork is a less-expensive meat, its less expensive because its ridden with bacteria and parasites

pork is a low quality meat

the bible says not to consume pork
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Old 27-Jul-05, 09:48 AM   #25
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The bible says a lot of crazy stuff. Are we still stoning adulterers?

Is ham low quality then too? Bacon? Prosciutto? MMmmmm... proscuitto.
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Old 27-Jul-05, 09:50 AM   #26
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But the bible does say to eat human flesh but I don't see that at health food stores
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Old 27-Jul-05, 10:04 AM   #27
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all meat from pigs is low quality
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Old 27-Jul-05, 10:14 AM   #28
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first off, NEVER start braying in public that because the bible says something, it must be so and everyone must follow it. as a non-christian, i find that incredibly rude and offensive, since i don't feel like selling my daughter into prostitution (which is also permitted according to the bible).

nutrition information on pork, from http://www.hormel.com/templates/know...emid=31&id=160:
  • compares to chicken in calories, cholesterol, and fat content because of improved breeding and farming practices
  • nutrient-dense, containing significant levels of B vitamins, phosphorus, zinc, potassium, magnesium
  • 3oz pork contains about half of the standard recommended RDA for protein

YOUR daughter and YOUR family benefitted from the homeopathic doctor's recommendations. my older daughter would have died - she was put on a high-calorie, high-protein, high-fat diet, which involved adding olive oil and cream to everything i could get down her throat. my younger daughter would also have died: as an infant, she couldn't tolerate breast milk (even after i eliminated everything from my diet and subsisted on nothing but rice pablum, boiled pears, and boiled chicken for three weeks), soya milk, or any infant formula - the only thing she was able to keep down and digest properly was a mix of carnation milk and corn syrup.

but you don't see me running around saying every child and infant should be fed this way.
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Old 27-Jul-05, 10:39 AM   #29
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99.9% of the time you will benefit from eating healthy, end of discussion

I guess theres always 2 sides to a story - this one being eating healthy
When writing a book theres no way to get the attention of everyone, theres always going to be positive and negative comments. I wrote this to because it helped me, even if it helps one person feel better day to day then im satisfied. As for the negative comments, disregard.

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everyone should eat healthy regardless end of discussion
I agree. But as any fitness-savvy person knows, flexibility and moderation will help define healthy. Your stringent and close-minded OPINIONS on particular foods negate the first of those attributes.
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