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Old 13-Feb-05, 06:44 PM   #16
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In your example - I removed all foods except the starchy carbs. Each meal has starchy carbs. I think you would be better off only eating starchy carbs around your workout times. But since you are a trainer that may not work. I eat starchy carbs usually once or twice per day. The rest are veggies - usually fiberous ones. It can't hurt to try it for a few weeks. I am trying to help you understand how your body does or doesn't respond to various foods.
Okay, I think I understand what you're saying. Any suggestions for alternatives? I think it would be a tough sell to do more veggies and I'm not a huge carnivore. And you're right... it can't hurt to try.
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Old 13-Feb-05, 07:49 PM   #17
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gymrat, I have been reading the advice you have received on this post. I had to go back and re-read your post to see what your original question was.
Let me make sure I have this right. You have 25 pounds you want to lose and you feel your metabolism is very low, which is slowing down your weight loss. You want to know how to eat in such a way that it will help increase your metabolism so you can easily lose the 25 pounds. Am I understanding correctly?
If I am, my next questions are:
1. How old are you?
2. Height?
3. Current weight?
4. How much more do you want to lose?
You mentioned you have a job where you are physically active. Are you a full- or part-time trainer? Can you give me a more detailed look at your daily activities?
Give me a minute please to share with you what worked for me last year.
It all depends on various factors, goals, and motivations. I lost 55 pounds in five months eating three meals a day and eating a lot of starchy carbs. Where many people believe that eating a lot of starchy carbs will not help you reach your weight loss goal, I say it "could" be a contributing factor. I believe that you have to look at several different factors in the equation and make sure that each factor is operating most efficiently in the equation to maximize the probability of reaching your weight loss goal (dang, I need to start using some simple english around here! Sometimes I don't understand myself!) What I'm trying to say is, where some people look at one factor in the equation, I look at the equation itself. I think, right now, you may be too caught up in the numbers game. Worrying about how many calories you're eating in a day...too much...too little...sometimes it just gets too confusing and starts to pose a mental block. I say, give your mind a rest and focus on a different perspective. My approach is just some common sense eating and exercising your butt off! Everything comes at a price. Where diet is, most people say, 90% or more of the equation, I say that is not necessarily true. It is a big part of the equation, but I think physical activity plays an even more important part.
Focusing on the diet, you seem to be a very intelligent individual. I think you know what is healthy and what is not. Just eat sensibly. Everything in moderation. Of course, the more physically active you are, the more calories you're going to require, even in an effort to lose weight. If you are very physically active and eating too few calories, your body will hold on to everything it's getting. Your body will not know the difference between a simple carb and a complex starchy carb. It's like the old saying, you have to spend money to make money. Sometimes you have to eat more food to lose more weight. You obviously have to eat enough to support your physical lifestyle. I lost my weight by weightlifting an hour and running up to an hour every day six days a week. Of course, I ate sensibly, but like I said, I ate three meals a day and had a lot of starchy carbs throughout the day. The bottom line was I was able to burn more calories than I consumed. I, in no way, counted calories. I just ate healthy foods in very moderate portions and worked my butt off! I just made sure I was burning more calories than I was consuming. That doesn't mean go out and eat anything you want. The key is just to eat healthy. If you can eat healthy, which by the looks of it, you are, even including the starchy carbs (in my humble opinion), then all you have left to do is just burn more calories than your consuming. Without counting calories, if you're not losing weight, do one of these things:
1. Eat less; Work out the same
2. Eat less; Work out more
3. Eat the same; Work out more
4. Eat more, Work out the same
5. Eat more, Work out more
Honestly, I think you can scratch numbers one, two, and three. I, along with Lady C, don't think you're eating enough. All that leaves is eating more and either keeping your workout the same or work out more. I know that sounds pretty easy, but I sometimes think we all try to make it more difficult than it needs to be. If we would simply go work out a little more with the time we sit here trying to work out the numbers, we would burn that many more calories in our effort to lose the weight.
My life has changed so much in the last year, I just can't begin to tell you everything right here. All I can attest to is the fact that I lost 55 pounds in five months without counting calories. I didn't worry about the amount of starch carbs and proteins. I just included ALL major food groups in my diet...protein, carbs, fat, fruit. It was all good. I just didn't eat past six, sometimes seven at night. I did keep my carbs low at night because I did all of my working out during the day. Now that my life has changed, I am SO much more active now than I ever have been in my life. As a result, my nutritional needs have changed drastically. Sometimes I still find myself not eating enough during the day and have to start eating more. It's amazing (at least in my mind) how much food I'm having to eat just to support my physical lifestyle now. And I'm not gaining a pound by eating more. In fact, it just serves to keep my energy level high and my metabolism stoked. Eating as healthy as I do now, my body is just burning the calories. I started a new job a couple of weeks ago (a very physcially demanding job) and eating as much as I do, I have still lost a couple of pounds. I believe it is because of my activity level and eating MORE, not less.
Sorry for the book. I just wanted to share that with you. I know it's a different approach than most people will tell you. I just believe sometimes we get too caught up in the numbers game and it starts to become more of a mental roadblock more than anything. My advice is just to eat more healthy foods and keep working out the same or more. Just do what your mind tells you in an effort to burn more than you're consuming. Sometimes the less we think about it and just do it, the more successful we are. Anyway...just my two cents.
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Old 14-Feb-05, 08:05 AM   #18
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Breakfast: Kashi GoLean Crunch with organic skim milk + 2 hard boiled eggs (both whites and yolks)
Snack: grapes and cottage cheese

Lunch: lentil burgers (made at home w/veggies, lentils and smoked cheese), and a salad

Snack:raw veggies and cottage cheese

Dinner: grilled chicken or salamon broccoli or green beans
Here is a minor modification to the same meal plan without all the starchy carbs. It is an example so if you don't like some of the items I've suggested find a different one. This is about half as many starches as you had before. Try it for a couple weeks and see.
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Old 14-Feb-05, 10:33 AM   #19
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Okay, I think I understand what you're saying. Any suggestions for alternatives? I think it would be a tough sell to do more veggies and I'm not a huge carnivore. And you're right... it can't hurt to try.
That's what I was getting at. Your protein sources right now are also high carb sources. Carbs need water to assimilate therefore a diet high in carbs also means more water retention. This is the reason why people on Atkins and other high protein diets lose more weight at the begining when they change their diet, because they no longer need to retain the water. Go do a search on the healthy Eating Expert board In Ivillage. Lynn explains this well in her reply posts.

Also you should search on cl-cathypem (Kathy Smith board) for her posts about thyroid. She struggled for a couple of years with weight that wouldn't budge apparently because of her specialists weren't listening to her. She is also very active in fitness activity. I know she loves to share her resources about it. (sorry to assume you have not already done this)

At the time you put on weight was there anything that started or stopped abruptly in your life style? A change of job? A change in eating habits? Were you going to school ? (I put on the "college 10" even though I was going to school part time) Maybe there was a stress reaction and it's not completely over. Didn't someone say that personal training was a career change for you? Career changes are "big" life changing events. Maybe you are not through the transition enough to relax and settle into "normal".
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Old 15-Feb-05, 08:27 PM   #20
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gymrat, I have been reading the advice you have received on this post. I had to go back and re-read your post to see what your original question was.
Let me make sure I have this right. You have 25 pounds you want to lose and you feel your metabolism is very low, which is slowing down your weight loss. You want to know how to eat in such a way that it will help increase your metabolism so you can easily lose the 25 pounds. Am I understanding correctly?
If I am, my next questions are:
1. How old are you?
2. Height?
3. Current weight?
4. How much more do you want to lose?.
I'm 28, 5'8 and about 190 lbs. My body fat is 29%. I would like to lose another 25 lbs or so.

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You mentioned you have a job where you are physically active. Are you a full- or part-time trainer? Can you give me a more detailed look at your daily activities?
I work anywhere between 6 and 9 hours a day. At least 2-3 hours of my days are spent training clients. I'm a supervisor as well so I'm also doing a lot of running around... well... supervising. This is my full time job.

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Give me a minute please to share with you what worked for me last year.
It all depends on various factors, goals, and motivations. I lost 55 pounds in five months eating three meals a day and eating a lot of starchy carbs. Where many people believe that eating a lot of starchy carbs will not help you reach your weight loss goal, I say it "could" be a contributing factor. I believe that you have to look at several different factors in the equation and make sure that each factor is operating most efficiently in the equation to maximize the probability of reaching your weight loss goal (dang, I need to start using some simple english around here! Sometimes I don't understand myself!) What I'm trying to say is, where some people look at one factor in the equation, I look at the equation itself. I think, right now, you may be too caught up in the numbers game. Worrying about how many calories you're eating in a day...too much...too little...sometimes it just gets too confusing and starts to pose a mental block. I say, give your mind a rest and focus on a different perspective. My approach is just some common sense eating and exercising your butt off!.
I did this for a while. I exercised my butt off and I ate sensibly. I started to gain a little. That's why I went back to being more exact with things. I'm not saying your suggestions don't work... I believe they do because I recommend them to my clients all the time. For whatever reason, it just didn't work for me.


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Of course, the more physically active you are, the more calories you're going to require, even in an effort to lose weight. If you are very physically active and eating too few calories, your body will hold on to everything it's getting. Your body will not know the difference between a simple carb and a complex starchy carb. It's like the old saying, you have to spend money to make money. Sometimes you have to eat more food to lose more weight.
Right.. I know. That's precisely why I realized my 1000 calorie a day diet was unhealthy (even though I was losing). Aside from weight, I also lost a lot of hair and my nails were very brittle. When I increased my calories to a "healthier" level of caloric restriction, that's when I started to gain. It seems asinine to be saying that I actually gained weight when I started eating 1600 calories but it's true. True and unbelievably frustrating.

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Without counting calories, if you're not losing weight, do one of these things:
1. Eat less; Work out the same
2. Eat less; Work out more
3. Eat the same; Work out more
4. Eat more, Work out the same
5. Eat more, Work out more
Honestly, I think you can scratch numbers one, two, and three. I, along with Lady C, don't think you're eating enough. All that leaves is eating more and either keeping your workout the same or work out more. I know that sounds pretty easy, but I sometimes think we all try to make it more difficult than it needs to be. If we would simply go work out a little more with the time we sit here trying to work out the numbers, we would burn that many more calories in our effort to lose the weight.
I agree that it's easy to make this more difficult than it needs to be. I read the posts here and see the folks that create the macronutrient spreadsheets to track exactly what they're getting and although I greatly respect that amount of diligence, I can't honestly believe I need to do that in order to meet my goals.

My situation goes against everything that I've learned as a trainer and it's so puzzling. The fact that it's puzzling to registered dieticians and doctors as well makes me think there is something else going on here. This is obviously a personal issue for me, but I'm on a quest for information for my clients (present and future) too. I can't be the only one who is going through this. Some answers would certainly be nice and I won't give up until I find them. :
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Old 16-Feb-05, 03:49 PM   #21
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That's what I was getting at. Your protein sources right now are also high carb sources. Carbs need water to assimilate therefore a diet high in carbs also means more water retention. This is the reason why people on Atkins and other high protein diets lose more weight at the begining when they change their diet, because they no longer need to retain the water. Go do a search on the healthy Eating Expert board In Ivillage. Lynn explains this well in her reply posts.

Also you should search on cl-cathypem (Kathy Smith board) for her posts about thyroid. She struggled for a couple of years with weight that wouldn't budge apparently because of her specialists weren't listening to her. She is also very active in fitness activity. I know she loves to share her resources about it. (sorry to assume you have not already done this)

At the time you put on weight was there anything that started or stopped abruptly in your life style? A change of job? A change in eating habits? Were you going to school ? (I put on the "college 10" even though I was going to school part time) Maybe there was a stress reaction and it's not completely over. Didn't someone say that personal training was a career change for you? Career changes are "big" life changing events. Maybe you are not through the transition enough to relax and settle into "normal".
Thanks for the heads up on the Kathy Smith board... I've never been over there before but I will be sure to check it out. The thyroid is something to keep in mind. I did some research on it a few months back but dismissed it so I will have to revisit it again. I will go see my doctor in a couple of months and if I haven't made any headway, I will bring it up with her again.

There was a lot going on at the time of my weight gain, but I honestly don't think it's related. I was going to school for personal training and preparing for my ACE exam. I honestly think it was due to the fact that I lived on so little food for so long that my body didn't know what to do with the extra food I was giving it. Granted, I increased my calories slowly but once I got to around 1500, the weight started coming on. My personal habits (eating and exercising) didn't waver and there has be some sort of serious catastrophe for me to miss the gym. I enjoy working out and it's one of the ways I manage stress so I am not apt to skip it.

Thanks for your thoughts.
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