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Old 06-Jul-03, 09:22 AM   #16
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I agree, cutting up on 60% carbs? Thats impossible bro, unless you're on roids or your metabolism is extreme, but in that case you wouldn't have reached 15 stone.

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Old 06-Jul-03, 11:03 AM   #17
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It's far from impossible—many factors come into play.
  • Personal metabolism
  • Types of carbohydrates being ingested
  • Timing of carbohydrate consumption
  • Amounts of fiber/fat eaten with carbs
  • Exercise types, amounts, and durations
  • Fluid intake

One case in point is Dave Scott (vegetarian & 6-time Ironman champion).
I'll post his typical day's diet:

b r e a k f a s t
A couple packages of Shredded Wheat cereal, with 3 tbsp of plain non-fat yogurt, drowning in non-fat milk.
A couple of bananas.
A couple of pieces of dry whole wheat toast.
Half a dozen rice cakes.
Two or three apples.
(I like a hearty breakfast, he says. Sounds like it'll sure get your blood sugar flyin' high)

l u n c h
Cottage cheese & tofu on a corn tortilla, with tomatoes and salsa.
A couple of apples
A piece of whole wheat bread

d i n n e r
either
Soup, of steamed vegetables
Baked potato with cottage cheese or yogurt.
or
Tortillas stuffed with beans, onions, tomatoes, cottage cheese, tofu and hot spices.
Beans and rice.
and
I almost always eat three or four more apples.
I round it out with a green salad, and maybe a fruit salad.

Depending on exact portions, that can be as much as 80% carbohydrates.
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Old 06-Jul-03, 11:09 AM   #18
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bodyshop20:
I'd be interested in seeing what your nutrition plan looks like. I'm always game for exposure to sensible plans. If you'll post, I'll be happy to read and learn. Thanks.
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Old 06-Jul-03, 11:54 AM   #19
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One case in point is Dave Scott (vegetarian & 6-time Ironman champion).

How can you be sure he's all natural?
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Old 06-Jul-03, 12:02 PM   #20
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Originally Posted by bodyshop20
If you read what i said and read what it say at the end you will see that i put it works for me and we are all different.
Yes,I read what you said bro,that you can cut and bulk at the same time and i'm sorry but I don't believe a word of it.
I know we're all different bro but we're not that different.

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That dose not make me unintelligent surely :confused:
No.just makes your comment unitelligent/uniformed
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Old 06-Jul-03, 12:50 PM   #21
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You can't, of course, know for certain whether or not someone is "natural." The only person that you can be sure of is yourself.
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Old 06-Jul-03, 12:58 PM   #22
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One case in point is Dave Scott (vegetarian & 6-time Ironman champion).

How can you be sure he's all natural?
There have been times in the past when my diet was similar to Scott's - 75% carbos or more - and I lost fat. If you burn it all off with 15-20 hours per week of cardio (Scott does more than that when training, I'm sure) you can still lower your body fat. During one extreme 9 day period I burned about 2000 calories per day from bike riding in addition to my basal metabolism. Most of that was carbos. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to most people as a way to lower your fat levels however .

The most basic truth here is calories in versus calories out. Nothing else matters much if you ignore this.

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Old 06-Jul-03, 04:25 PM   #23
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I believe you can lose weight on a 75% carb diet assuming you are eating very little or training for a marathon.For a person with a normal weight lifting/cardio routine,loading up on carbs(esp refined carbs) and protein is a great way to put on muscle/fat.
The point is if you're bulking you're gaining both muscle and fat
If you're cutting you're losing both muscle(trying hard as hell not too) and fat.
You can't go forward and backward at the same time.
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Old 06-Jul-03, 06:24 PM   #24
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No offense intended, but what, then, is the explanation for BigManSlim, having apparently lost about 5 lb of fat while adding 12-13 lb of lean weight (http://cobalt7.freeshell.org/bms.gif) ? My own records show a recent loss of 8 lb fat while increasing lean weight by 5 lb (this while averaging 60-65% of calories from carbs). Are these examples only possible for relative beginners?

As I said, I don't want to be argumentative - just trying to learn here!

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Old 06-Jul-03, 07:31 PM   #25
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I've stated before that I believe it's possible for a beginner who's overweight to "lose fat" and "gain muscle" at the same time.Regardless if you're a beginner and overweight if you continue to overeat like you would if BULKING then there is no way you're gonna lose weight.Basically you're not gonna lose weight by overeating.
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Old 07-Jul-03, 01:21 PM   #26
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I give up
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