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Old 19-Apr-08, 05:02 PM   #1
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Eating with NO teeth?


For health reasons that are totally irrelevant, (and those health reasons, I assure you, have NO bearing on anything but his teeth,...not on any other calcifications),....(I check these things out first,...d'oh)..... I have a client without teeth and as such, I have a question.

Working with a client who has NO teeth, top or bottom. This is new (as of 2 weeks ago). It's going to be 3 months until he has dentures, in which case even then, he's going to have to relearn how to eat all over again. He ate very well, well-balanced, good ratio,....(up until this incident 2 weeks ago).

Sure, I can educate him about how to puree foods, meal replacements, various soups, nutritional supplements, etc. Problems arise when "real foods" that eventually are going to hungered for will tend to be carb in nature, particularly those soft malleable carbs (ie: processed) like breads, which can be dissolved, rather than grains and veggies. Whole grain pasta is out (it slides down his throat). And protein,....beans slip down his esophagus, rice can't be chewed, meat of any sort, even soft poultry, can only be sucked.

So even with my recommendations, let's face it, in the same position, any of us ----we could live like that for a few weeks, but there's no way I can see any human being, especially one who lifts and eats (ate) extremely healthy and well balanced and in particular, low carb.

Can you see me recommending he eat liquified foods for 3 months? He'll wrap me in a half Nelson and kick me to the curb. There's got to be some way.

Then I'll have it to face all over again as he learns to masticate with his new teeth.

This is fresh, brand new, and not only do I deal with his embarassment (it shows when he works out because he is not putting as much into it, concerned about facial expressions,....the ones we all make when we lift heavy, let's face it, it's real,....and no doubt, by not eating as healthy, I don't trust his nutrition is up to snuff, and to top it off it'll only get worse).

Yes he consulted a Nutritionist who only told him exactly what I told him and the "best" advice she gave him was to keep doing what I told him to do,....but do it for 3 months....then see her again. (Gee, really?)

Please tell me there's another way?

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Old 20-Apr-08, 02:09 PM   #2
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Softer meats like corned beef, chicken livers, and so on will be a little helpful. But I'm afraid the food processor is going to be the best option for him to eat the things he really needs in his diet. And really it's only a few months. Not unlike those of us who cut down on carbs and add more protein and fat for a cutting diet for 3 or more months. Not totally enjoyable, not something we'd want to do for life, but something that can be endured considering it's just temporary.
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Old 20-Apr-08, 05:24 PM   #3
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Softer meats like corned beef, chicken livers, and so on will be a little helpful. But I'm afraid the food processor is going to be the best option for him to eat the things he really needs in his diet. And really it's only a few months. Not unlike those of us who cut down on carbs and add more protein and fat for a cutting diet for 3 or more months. Not totally enjoyable, not something we'd want to do for life, but something that can be endured considering it's just temporary.

I thought I'd gag when I read that chicken liver thing. And to think I've eaten heart. I've eaten beef liver (one of those weird little kids who loved eating liver and onions and yep, even spinach).

Then I grew my taste buds. They were late bloomers.

I've been with him for a short while and this liquid thing is taking a toll on him. Has anyone here tried a liquid only diet for 3 months?

My gastric bypass patients have, for one. Before the GPB when they have to prove they're doing all they can to lose weight and enter a medically supervised VLCD (800kcal/day) all liquid, and things get even more complicated if in addition to GBP they're getting bariatric surgery....just visiting them I see and feel their pain.

Of course post surgeries don't present peachy either, especially worrying about those dumping incidents if they eat simple carbs (which I can't help but feel the surgical patient would crave,...). But I can only imagine the palatable joy of feeling real food in the mouth after everything.

It's a tough gig.

Back to the topic though,...

This whole liquid-only or liquid-mainly diet has me feeling the pain.

Three months may seem like not a long time for y'all, but remember, AFTER the 3 months time is up, he now has to learn to eat solid foods in a new way and even then will not be able to eat the way he has.

I take a lot on,....


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Old 20-Apr-08, 10:05 PM   #4
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I still have my teeth for now. None have rotted out, been knocked out (yet) or otherwise lost. I have had to prepare foods like that following tooth loss from illness before and I'd imagine your client is dealing with tooth loss from medications or illness.

It doesn't have to be a liquid diet, simply prepare the usual foods in the usual manner then process them only enough that they can be eaten without chewing. They don't have to be fully liquid if it's just for eating without teeth. And yeah, I do know what it's like eating a very restricted diet for up to three months. I did 12 weeks once of somthing similar to velocity except it was a tablespoon of olive oil taken like a shot with a very low carb protein shake as a chaser. This was my food four meals a day during the most extreme part of my weight loss. It was nasty, it would make a billy goat puke, but it was effective...and most important...temporary.
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Old 20-Apr-08, 10:09 PM   #5
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I think when I read: "make a billy goat puke," ....I forgot everything else that was said,.....

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Old 21-Apr-08, 02:34 PM   #6
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what about stewing or braising meat until it becomes very tender, would it still be no good? he could make a stew and leave it overcook so that it becomes quite mushy.

Also try things like yogurt (greek for protein) : he could squish berries with the back of a spoon and mix them in. Nut butters are good, and avocado is pretty soft (home made guacamole?)

oatmeal?

what about powder for protein, he could make a nice milkshake with protein powder.

eggs? eggs can be poached soft, scrambled or soft boiled.
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Old 21-Apr-08, 02:48 PM   #7
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what about stewing or braising meat until it becomes very tender, would it still be no good? he could make a stew and leave it overcook so that it becomes quite mushy.
Crockpots get meats nice and tender (especially if you use a fattier cut of meat) without tasting overcooked.
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Old 23-Apr-08, 11:07 AM   #8
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Minime and LiftGirl, thank you for those suggestions.

I think I'm taking this personal (I tend to do that when working with people who I get close to, who I've been with for a long time, or that my heart just goes out to). He's a young guy who's always been so healthy,....

But this does beg the question of other health issues arise involving his bones or anything relating to calcium and collagen.

For now I'm trying to work with the eating, to start.

I'll make those recommendations, they're excellent!
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Old 25-Mar-13, 06:32 PM   #9
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Me Too No Teeth


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Minime and LiftGirl, thank you for those suggestions.

I think I'm taking this personal (I tend to do that when working with people who I get close to, who I've been with for a long time, or that my heart just goes out to). He's a young guy who's always been so healthy,....

But this does beg the question of other health issues arise involving his bones or anything relating to calcium and collagen.

For now I'm trying to work with the eating, to start.

I'll make those recommendations, they're excellent!
Get a NutriBullet and do as it recommends in the book you get with it. For calcium I use Hijiki seaweed and the organic dark leafy greens has lots of calcium for bone and teeth health. Bean sprouts can be added to a green smoothie for protien and nuts soaked over night into the blender. Make sure a good fulvic mineral and whole food vitamin is taken. My teeth might take longer to get because of jaw bone problems have to be taken away for the dentures to go in. Always something that gets in the way.
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Old 14-May-13, 12:56 AM   #10
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we should eat fresh and healthy food and vegetables,
which makes us healthy and also doing exercise....
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Old 11-Aug-13, 11:56 PM   #11
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Hi,

The food that you need to eat after the removal of wisdom teeth would need to be soft. Mashed potatoes would be a great choice. Instant oatmeal would be another great choice.
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Old 19-Oct-13, 09:22 AM   #12
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Wow good thing it can help people a lot especially who are aged you have highlighteda correct thing can surely help people in having something that is healthy.Keep sharing things like that.

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