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Old 22-May-06, 12:23 PM   #1
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Experimenting with a zig-zag


Keeping it simple, for starters. I'm eating surplus/deficit every other day. My "day" starts with dinner, the last meal before lifting. I eat surplus for 24 hours. Then switch to deficit. Within this 24 hour period, I will do a cardio workout.

My deficit/surplus consists of +400 calories, -400 calories. Just kind of curious about what will happen. I'm tracking weight and body measurements.
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Old 25-May-06, 12:27 AM   #2
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Sounds like a cool idea. Can I ask for some more details? Like how old you are? Weight, height? And what was your diet like before you zig-zag? And you're going to add/subtract 400 calories onto how many calories a day?

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Old 25-May-06, 02:34 AM   #3
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you're on the right track. this alternate fasting idea isn't new, I would cut back even more calories (at least 50%) on your fasting day. heres one study, there are many more similar if you google/pubmed


Med Hypotheses. 2006 Mar 8;
The effect on health of alternate day calorie restriction: Eating less and more than needed on alternate days prolongs life.

Johnson JB, Laub DR, John S.


Restricting caloric intake to 60-70% of normal adult weight maintenance requirement prolongs lifespan 30-50% and confers near perfect health across a broad range of species. Every other day feeding produces similar effects in rodents, and profound beneficial physiologic changes have been demonstrated in the absence of weight loss in ob/ob mice. Since May 2003 we have experimented with alternate day calorie restriction, one day consuming 20-50% of estimated daily caloric requirement and the next day ad lib eating, and have observed health benefits starting in as little as two weeks, in insulin resistance, asthma, seasonal allergies, infectious diseases of viral, bacterial and fungal origin (viral URI, recurrent bacterial tonsillitis, chronic sinusitis, periodontal disease), autoimmune disorder (rheumatoid arthritis), osteoarthritis, symptoms due to CNS inflammatory lesions (Tourette's, Meniere's) cardiac arrhythmias (PVCs, atrial fibrillation), menopause related hot flashes. We hypothesize that other many conditions would be delayed, prevented or improved, including Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, multiple sclerosis, brain injury due to thrombotic stroke atherosclerosis, NIDDM, congestive heart failure. Our hypothesis is supported by an article from 1957 in the Spanish medical literature which due to a translation error has been construed by several authors to be the only existing example of calorie restriction with good nutrition. We contend for reasons cited that there was no reduction in calories overall, but that the subjects were eating, on alternate days, either 900 calories or 2300 calories, averaging 1600, and that body weight was maintained. Thus they consumed either 56% or 144% of daily caloric requirement. The subjects were in a residence for old people, and all were in perfect health and over 65. Over three years, there were 6 deaths among 60 study subjects and 13 deaths among 60 ad lib-fed controls, non-significant difference. Study subjects were in hospital 123 days, controls 219, highly significant difference. We believe widespread use of this pattern of eating could impact influenza epidemics and other communicable diseases by improving resistance to infection. In addition to the health effects, this pattern of eating has proven to be a good method of weight control, and we are continuing to study the process in conjunction with the NIH.
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Old 26-May-06, 12:01 PM   #4
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Will you be on any routine with weights? Or any form of cardio?
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Old 26-May-06, 12:19 PM   #5
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I did this during the last week and a half or so of my HST cycle, and I'm continuing for another week of lifting before vacation. Basically, I lift three days a week, and do cardio three alternating days, with the seventh day being rest.

I almost immediately dropped three pounds, then stabilized. After vacation, I'll start a new HST cycle, and get back to the zig-zagging. Once I get to the heavier portion of HST, I may switch to a bulking diet. Not sure yet.
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Old 26-May-06, 01:30 PM   #6
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Lots of people around here "zig-zig" their calorie intake. If you look at lots of cursor's information, you'll see it really is adviseable to eat more on days you weight train, and less on other days. Probably not as drastic as cutting to 50% of maintenence, but it's pretty much the same idea. Let us know how it goes etothepie!

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