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Old 15-May-08, 07:11 AM   #1
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How Ironic Is This?


Ok, I've always been one over the last four years, on and off, to dish out some advice to people when it comes to their diets. I've always thought some things are common sense. As pierini many times says, "How bad do you want it?"

Now I'm finding myself in the same shoes as I've seen others. So perhaps I'm looking for some confirmation on what I already know. But I think I need some different perspective here. So if you guys can help me shed some light on some things, I'd really appreciate it.

My current situation: I was on a five mile run Tuesday in relatively cool conditions (85 degrees) when I crashed in the middle of the run. Just ran out of energy. It is now approximately 46 hours later and I have not regained my energy. This sucks!

What I've done different this week: For the last few weeks, I've attempted to do body weight exercises instead of going to the gym because I was having difficulty getting up at 1:30 in the morning. I have now worked out my work schedule so I can go to the gym during work and work out when it is still not busy there. This is so perfect. So now I'm lifting five days a week at the gym. I've been running, still, only 9-20 miles a week. Last week I ran only nine miles and told myself I needed to get off my butt this week and run. So Monday I lifted in the morning, ran five miles in the afternoon. Tuesday I lifted in the morning and attempted to run five miles in the afternoon when I crashed. So I went head on into lifting and running every day. This is in addition to being at work at 4:00am until around 2:30pm with the exception of taking about an hour to lift during that time. About four hours a day is spent outside working. It's been getting up to around 100 degrees here. Probably in the 80s in the mornings when I'm outside working, so I sweat quite a bit.

My diet: Ok, this is the part that's sucking at the moment. Bear with me on this one. I've posted this before so some of you may be familiar with this. It has, on occasion, gotten up to around 115 here already. The hotter it gets, the less I eat because I'm constantly drinking water. The water and the heat completely zaps my appetite. Around 4:00am, I have some Smart Start cereal and fat free milk. I would eat oatmeal but the hotter it is here, the more I hate hot food. I'm around hot food half the day and I'm tired of it. Around 7:00, I usually have a breakfast burrito or maybe a couple of bean burritos. I usually lift between around 9:20 and 10:20. I usually have a protein shake about 20-30 minutes after I lift and a turkey sandwich with mustard and plenty of veggies right after that. Then it's back to work. By this point, I've already drank a half gallon of water for the day. Over the next three hours or so, I'm working and drinking another half gallon of water. So by 1:30pm, I've already drank a gallon of water. With the heat and drinking that much, I'm just not hungry. Around 4:00pm, I usually go for a five mile run. It's around 100 degrees by that time. So I get back from my run and take a shower and drink one to two liters of water. I also have some Special K and fat free milk. So most days, I'm drinking up to 1-1/2 gallons of water.

My goals: Here's the deal. I'm a runner who lifts weights. My goal is to run a marathon while I'm here. I also want to look very fit, trim, toned, and somewhat muscular (gee, who doesn't want to look like that??). I'm not after a whole lot of muscle. Just want a lot of definition. I know, I know...running and muscles don't mix. I still don't buy into that theory though.

The problem: The heat.

Ok, now you have it. There's the deal. Here are some things I better be hearing around here!!

1. Where's the food?
Yea, I know. That's what I've asked everyone here when they told us what they ate!

2. Not enough carbs.
That just dawned on me today. I'm not having enough carbs to fuel my body to give it the energy to do what I'm trying to do in the heat.

3. You're running too much in the heat.
Remember, I'm a runner who lifts. I run in the heat to avoid being a heat casualty. I know, that doesn't make sense. I love the heat and I'm very experienced at running in the heat. By training in the heat, my body has become accustomed to it, therefore I'm never a heat casualty.



Ok...can you guys give me some perspective on this thing here? One thing to mention, there's something about being over here that zaps people's energy. I get 7-8 hours of sleep every night. I still easily wake up tired. Many people complain about just not having any energy. Some don't. Some do. Who knows. And also please remember, I have no control over my food choices or how it's prepared. I have to go with what I've got.

Because of the heat and not really wanting hot food, here are some of my choices:

1. Cold cereal (either Special K or Smart Start)
2. Fat free milk or low fat milk
3. Sandwiches
4. Sodium free raw trail mix
5. Beef jerky
6. Bagels
7. Cream cheese
(blueberry bagels with strawberry cream cheese to be specific)
8. Protein shakes
9. Sugar free rip-its
10. Gatorade
11. Sugar free sports drinks
12. Natural peanut butter (had my wife send me some from home)

Those are my basic cold food staples. That list is not an exclusive list but it does make up probably about 85% of what I eat.

I know, the first thing I would do even, is rip someone for that diet. Just keep in mind, it's hot over here and it's hard to eat hot food when you're working and having to drink as much as we do. The problem with that is the fact that it's still not really hot here. So if I'm drinking a gallon and a half when it's 100, I'll probably be drinking twice that when it gets up to 130. The water and the heat just zap my appetite.

I'm going to continue lifting five days a week and running anywhere from 15-40 miles a week (running 5-6 days a week). I will take off one day each week.

Given that activity level, in the heat, with no appetite, and still working about 10 hours a day: What's a guy to do?
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Old 15-May-08, 07:59 AM   #2
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The first thing that comes to mind is OVERTRAINING!! Drop you weight session down to 3x per week and see if you can get in longer runs and wake up rested.
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Old 15-May-08, 09:44 AM   #4
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Sorry, as we all know very well. I'M NOT A RUNNER. However, some things are common sense like you already said. So, either you simply are not eating enough (yeah, I know some triathletes in the 170-180lb range who are eating 5K cals/day). Or like LC said, you are overtraining. A week or two off and less weightlifting, maybe even less running too...might help you out a lot.

For real, I know some elite athletes (triathletes who do 1/2 and full IM races) who only do bricks M, W, F...and weights T, Th. S,S are OFF.

Good luck, you WILL figure out what's gonna work for ya. You always do. Just sometimes a little different perspective helps one think of all the possibilities.
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Old 15-May-08, 07:37 PM   #5
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I appreciate the responses Lady C and V.

Here are the changes I plan to make starting Monday.

Lift - M,W,F
Run - T, Th, Sa
Rest -Su

Question: Should lifting on M,W,F be full body workouts or a split?

I've got my three runs during the week covered. That's a piece of cake.

Next question: How in the world do you eat enough when you drink so much you don't have an appetite? Perhaps oatmeal in protein shakes for the complex carbs?

Maybe something gross like this:

Gatorade, whey protein, Cytomax, Creatine, Oatmeal - all mixed up in a protein shake.

So since I drink so much when it's hot, can anyone suggest a decent protein shake that will give me all the nutrients I will need that will keep me going?
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Old 16-May-08, 06:29 AM   #6
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Should lifting on M,W,F be full body workouts or a split?
It shouldn't matter - whatever you like.

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How in the world do you eat enough when you drink so much you don't have an appetite? Perhaps oatmeal in protein shakes for the complex carbs?
Make sure you are eating a couple of bananas (if available) in your shakes. Great mix of carbs for recovery and energy.

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So since I drink so much when it's hot, can anyone suggest a decent protein shake that will give me all the nutrients I will need that will keep me going?
I experienced this lately too! We had a few days of near 100 degree days and I was drinking so much water I was not hungry at all. I suggest eating lots of fresh fruit or other cold foods that will keep you carb loaded (pasta salads maybe).
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My favorite is 2c skim milk. 1 large banana. 2 scoops of whey. for post workout (or even a pre workout) shake.

Just for a protein/carb drink to keep ya going for those high endurance training days...chocolate milk.
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Old 28-May-08, 07:58 AM   #8
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you WILL figure out what's gonna work for ya. You always do.
.V., just how prophetic are you man? I think I finally have it figured out. This week, Tuesday came and went with no crash. Thank goodness.

It was 113 degrees when I went running Monday afternoon. That kind of heat can really take it out of you! I've had to readjust my workout schedule to include more rest days to account for the heat. Here is what appears will work for me:

Lifting on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday

Running on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday

Rest on Wednesday, Friday, Sunday

More protein shakes and more cytomax. During lunch, mix whey and cytomax in addition to force feeding. I don't eat much then, but a little.

I had my wife talk to my doctor back home and she recommended things that I was doing at home but stopped doing here, extra vitamins C, E, and B complex.

Also, my Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday runs are only three miles now, but more intense. Saturday is my day off so I'll probably be out the door no later than 5am for my long run to "beat" the heat. It's light by 4:50am here and is probably between 70 and 75 degrees by 5am.

It's Wednesday and I finally had plenty of energy since I didn't crash yesterday. Things are finally looking up!
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Hooah ed. I knew you'd get it right.
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good job! you got 3 days rest in there too, thats great.

I was gonna say before, but now in addition to what you said your doctor said to your wife who said to you: my cure for everything would be a multivtamin.
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