I hate normal people

[Rats!]

Originally Posted by rbuchman

Interesting question given the chance would you rather

A. Live in a very fitness minded town
B. Live in a place where people could care less

A. living healthy would be easier (resturants would cater to you more, there'd be more bike trails and charity 5k's) but you'd be less exceptional and it'd take even more effort to be on the top of the food chain

B. Living healthy is difficult no peer support, fewer gyms/fitness facilities but a little effort makes you truly exceptional against back drop of fat slobs.

Definitely A. I like competition

[Cort]

Originally Posted by rbuchman

Interesting question given the chance would you rather

A. Live in a very fitness minded town
B. Live in a place where people could care less

A. living healthy would be easier (resturants would cater to you more, there'd be more bike trails and charity 5k's) but you'd be less exceptional and it'd take even more effort to be on the top of the food chain

B. Living healthy is difficult no peer support, fewer gyms/fitness facilities but a little effort makes you truly exceptional against back drop of fat slobs.

A is obviously preferable, for the community and easy gym access if nothing else. There is no reason any fitness minded person couldn't easily get by in B though.

No matter what people around you are doing, there isn't much that can stand in the way of you getting regular cardiovascular activity, resistance training, and regulating your own eating habits. Eating out constantly can be a problem, but you can always keep your orders small and keep a self-made snack in a bag/cooler in your car.

[vegan]

Originally Posted by rbuchman

Interesting question given the chance would you rather

A. Live in a very fitness minded town
B. Live in a place where people could care less

A. living healthy would be easier (resturants would cater to you more, there'd be more bike trails and charity 5k's) but you'd be less exceptional and it'd take even more effort to be on the top of the food chain

B. Living healthy is difficult no peer support, fewer gyms/fitness facilities but a little effort makes you truly exceptional against back drop of fat slobs.

Without a doubt, B. A little caring, kindness and honesty could go a long way in that environment.

[Octagon]

Originally Posted by rbuchman

Interesting question given the chance would you rather

A. Live in a very fitness minded town
B. Live in a place where people could care less

If by 'could care less' you mean 'mind their own damn business' I'd have to go with B.

But maybe that's just me...

[rbuchman]

I mean a society of doughnut eating, couch sitting, drive the car when it's only 1/2 mile and nice out, excersize hating slobs

[Octagon]

Originally Posted by rbuchman

I mean a society of doughnut eating, couch sitting, drive the car when it's only 1/2 mile and nice out, excersize hating slobs

Do you mean a society of doughnut eating, couch sitting, drive the car when it's only 1/2 mile and nice out, exercise hating slobs who mind their own damn business?

If so, keep me in the ole B column.

[rookie]

the worst would be to have a girlfriend who gets jealous of you goin to the gym.. my girl used to be like that...i always used to hear ( Your only missing one ****in time!) but then that turned into 3 or 5 times and i started gettin fed up with it. But shes come around and now she goes with me almost every day... She used to give me the " I dont want to get to buff" and i gave her the " without steroids you wont" haha... But shes a quick learner.. learned perfect form on deadlifts. stiff leg deads, bent rows!

[rookie]

I know im goin to sound like the biggest ass hole right now but taking the bus every day makes me really not like fat people... I dont mind alot of fat people.. but when theirs a person who gets on the bus 300 + Lbs. with a few dougnuts and take the whole damn two seats its irritating! I get mad at them for endangering their health for food! I mean i know theirs some psychological disorder involved... but i have a few myself and you can overcome them... OK sorry just been takin the bus lately and havin to give up my seat to someone who's breakfast,brunc, lunch, snack, and dinner involve mcdonalds, burger king, and dominoes.

[.V.]

Originally Posted by rookie

OK sorry just been takin the bus lately and havin to give up my seat to someone who's breakfast,brunc, lunch, snack, and dinner involve mcdonalds, burger king, and dominoes.

Don't sweat it. You'll get your seat back soon enough. After they start taking the ambulance. Then after that they get the "Rascal" and don't need a regular seat or three anymore.

[rookie]

hahaha... that was evil!

[rangers97]

Originally Posted by vegan

No crusade intended. What I had suggested in my postings was compassion and understanding - hardly a crusade. People come here to gain a better understanding of diet, fitness and health. The opinions offered here range from the well informed to the very misinformed. So who and what to believe? I share information that I have gained from years of studying issues of diet and health and from the experience of changing my diet as a consequence. In any case, enjoy the zucchini!

the problem is that regardless of how we feel about these things as individuals, nothing is going to change. Face it, things will not change. The poor animals will continue to always suffer, and you are in that small 1% of the population that is trying to stop this, and I am with you on that aspect of it. I am a total animal lover, I can't stand to see an animal get hurt, in fact I might save a dog from getting run over by a car rather than a person, but that's a whole other issue

The fact is that there will never be enough people who share your point of view to make a difference, sad as it sounds. Sure we can go the "one person at a time route" or "one person makes a difference" route, but not really, because for every one person who doesn't eat meat, there are probably 25 that do. convincing enough of those 25 to make a difference is very unrealistic to believe it will ever happen. So that being the case, I eat my meat and try not to think about it

I have to say though, if I had to hunt my own food to eat, I would starve because the act of killing an animal I could never do. But when the ground meat is nicely packaged and all I have to do is throw it in a pot and just think about all the protein I am about to eat, I am fine with it. one pound of ground turkey has over 110g of protein and that is what I am looking at, not how it got there.

sorry for the rant....back to the original post.....yes no one cares about the fit people, in fact believe it or not, I think some of my friends are even beginning to resent my wife and me for the way we eat and live our lives. They all eat crap basically and drink like fishes all the time. then they get made at us when we don't drink with them. "Why dont you have a beer?" "Get them a beer", or "Whats wrong with you guys, where are the fun people we used to know?" Are you kidding me? People think I am not fun anymore because I don't get ****faced with them EVERY WEEKEND? OK every "once" in a while I will drink, but not too often, I know it is a very bad thing for us, calorie and health wise. They don't get it. Do they even realize that drinking a 12 pack of Bud, (which most of my friends can do easily by themselves) has over 1600 EMPTY calories?? that is just insane. Geee, umm yeah, I want to inject 1600 calories that will go right to my stomach and wake up the next morning feeling like **** so I can't do anything productive for the entire day...YEAH! Thats what I want to do with myself!

[Firehawk]

Man i never get invited out with friends because i don't drink. That sucks too. heh

I agree with Rangers and i feel the same way about animals. I couldnt ever raise a gun and kill a deer, but honestly, i don't have a problem eating burgers and chicken. It may sound like a double standard but that's just how it is.

[.V.]

Hell, I respect all life. I even put unused worms back in the flowerbed after a fishing trip. To me sport hunting is wrong. I would never take a trophy. Just take the smaller, weaker ones. This makes the herd stronger, helps with "natural selection" by getting rid of the inferior genetics. Anything taken should be taken only for food.

Firehawk said:

Man i never get invited out with friends because i don't drink. That sucks too. heh

Firehawk, I've come down hard on you in a recent post, but here I'd like to pay you a compliment for your healthy choice not to drink alcohol. It's rough being a yound dude like you and not drinking so I admire your resolve. It's easier to be an old fart like me and not drink, but there is still peer pressure even at my age.

[vegan]

Originally Posted by rangers97

the problem is that regardless of how we feel about these things as individuals, nothing is going to change. Face it, things will not change. The poor animals will continue to always suffer, and you are in that small 1% of the population that is trying to stop this, and I am with you on that aspect of it. I am a total animal lover, I can't stand to see an animal get hurt, in fact I might save a dog from getting run over by a car rather than a person, but that's a whole other issue

The fact is that there will never be enough people who share your point of view to make a difference, sad as it sounds. Sure we can go the "one person at a time route" or "one person makes a difference" route, but not really, because for every one person who doesn't eat meat, there are probably 25 that do. convincing enough of those 25 to make a difference is very unrealistic to believe it will ever happen. So that being the case, I eat my meat and try not to think about it.

I agree that there will be very few people who actually adopt a pure plant-based (vegan) diet. If the number of vegans in the USA doubled there would still be no noticable reduction in meat consumption. However, if 1/3 of the US population had 3 meatless meals per week that could reduce meat consumption by as much as 5% - and that would be significant. What will make a difference is a lot of people changing their eating habits a little rather than one person changing his/her habits a lot. So while I remain optimistic, I also realize that this will take a long time because eating is a cultural activity.

BTW, about 9 years ago I gave up all alcohol and also switched to green tea from coffee.