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Old 21-Jun-02, 05:11 AM   #1
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shifting the remaining weight


Hi

I'm posting this thread because i dont know what else to do now!
i been on a diet and lost some 2 stone (28lbs) but now the weight loss has really slowed down.
i currently do 5 days cardio a week mostly running, cycling and rowing.
i spoke to a fitness advisor which gave me some guidance regarding my diet.

heres my average daily intake...

9am 330ml Pure 100% fruit juice

11am granny smith apple

1pm 10 cherry tomateos, 150g organic malt loaf

1pm ish 30 min walk

4pm 5 thin slices turkey with rice cakes

6:30pm iso star drink watered down with my 60 minutes of cardio

8pm evening meal. normally either egg or omlette, or quorn, or green beans, or pasta but i make sure the meal is quite small

9pm 30 minute walk

i'm 21 male 5,11 tall and currently weigh 158ish pounds. i still have fat about 2 inches worth if i pinch it around my waist and on my bottom.
my legs are fully toned.

my question is...that amount of food is a huge cut down on what i was used too and i really cant cut it down any more...i'm doing as much cardio as i can but the remaining weight will not go...

i have started to do situps and i admitt i havent been doing the 30min walks more than a week.

is there anything else i can do? maybe a weight loss pill? i live in the UK.

oh and my average hr rate is 160-170 during my workout. i am fit and capable for running for 2 hours but i really want to lose this weight. I was advised to possibly cut out my evening meal and have another fruit juice instead?????? if i do that i'm going to feel ill...

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Old 21-Jun-02, 02:42 PM   #2
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Re: shifting the remaining weight


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Originally posted by GraemeK
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Hi

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i currently do 5 days cardio a week mostly running, cycling and rowing.
i spoke to a fitness advisor which gave me some guidance regarding my diet.
Too much cardio. Cut it down to 3x a week.

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9am 330ml Pure 100% fruit juice
11am granny smith apple
1pm 10 cherry tomateos, 150g organic malt loaf
1pm ish 30 min walk
4pm 5 thin slices turkey with rice cakes
6:30pm iso star drink watered down with my 60 minutes of cardio
8pm evening meal. normally either egg or omlette, or quorn, or green beans, or pasta but i make sure the meal is quite small
9pm 30 minute walk
1. Junk the juice, replace it with oatmeal
2. Junk the rice cakes, replace with a whole grain bread, pita, or bagel.
3. I don't know what iso star is.
4. Eggs are good Eat more protein.

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i'm 21 male 5,11 tall and currently weigh 158ish pounds. i still have fat about 2 inches worth if i pinch it around my waist and on my bottom.
my legs are fully toned.
Go to the workout journals and look at what I've posted so far.

You are practicing a lot of common myth-based errors.
#1 - Cardio is the key to fat loss. *BUZZER NOISE* NO! Muscle is the key to fat loss. Gonna be harsh here, so hold on - QUIT
****ING WALKING AND GET IN THE GYM!

#2 - Fruit juice is healthy. *BUZZER NOISE* NO! You know how many oranges it takes to get a full glass of orange juice? That's a damn lot of sugar. Try a few pieces of whole fruit instead.

#3 - You eat very little you lose weight. *BUZZER NOISE* NO! You need to eat enough so your body doesn't think it's starving. Looks to me like you aren't getting enough calories a day. Up them to 12*BW (or a little higher) then slowly lower them down to 12 * BW - 1000. See my journal for an example. It's worked for a ton of people, so I know it'll work for you.

I weigh about the same as you and I have been very successful in cutting the fat (and gaining muscle back at the same time).

At a minimum, get 1g of protein per pound of your body weight. You seem like you are no where near. Turkey, Chicken, Eggs, fat-free milk, cottage cheese (good one), fish fish and more fish.

Get EFAs. Fish, almonds, Flaxseed or Hemp seed oil. They are key to fat loss at lower fat %. Without them, it is a horrible struggle.

Again, cardio is not the end-all-be-all for fat loss. Most people think if they run/walk every day they will be thin. Nope.

I will take an example from a peer of mine :
Ever look at a marathon runner and a sprinter? Who do you think looks more impressive? The marathon runner has loose skin and looks almost sickly, a lot of the time. Sprinters are muscular and lean.

The difference? Sprinters most definitely lift weights to achieve their goals. Squats, Deadlifts, Pressing movements, and Rowing movements. That is the cake. The rest is the icing.

Now get yourself in gear and do it!

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Old 21-Jun-02, 02:46 PM   #3
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Buy a food scale.

Count everything that goes in your mouth. If you don't, you are only cheating yourself. You need to be 100% certain you know what you are eating. Don't cheat either. Planned refeeds aren't cheating. If you take 12 hours one day per week and shove your mouth full of all kinds of carbs (no fat) you will replenish your glycogen and not gain a pound. Plus you'll feel great and feel like you are treating yourself.

My favorite: A BUNCH of milk. Fat free milk. MMMMmmm.
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Old 21-Jun-02, 03:11 PM   #4
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Muscle


Like Danugi said, muscle is what you want.

Muscle burns 3000% more calories than fat. Just what you need.

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Old 21-Jun-02, 07:31 PM   #5
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muscle


hi

thank you for your comments...

i'm not sure what 12BW means? sorry....

oh and ISO STAR is a sports engery drink, popular in the UK.

the guy giving me advice so far is an athlete....which is quite lean and appears to have different goals to me...

when you say eat more i agree but what and when? sorry to appear dumb but i understand i should have more protein....are the times i'm eating ok? and what do you suggest is better for lunch and an afternoon meal pre workout? at the moment i think i'm intaking around 1000 calories a day before workout...

it would be great to have a general meal plan so i know whats good to consume for my 5 - 6 meals a day...in order to lose weight.

thank you!

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Old 21-Jun-02, 09:00 PM   #6
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12 * BW = 12 * bodyweight.

I'll edit this after my workout.
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Old 22-Jun-02, 03:29 PM   #7
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Re: muscle


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i'm not sure what 12BW means? sorry....
12 * bw or 12 * bodyweight or 12 * 158 = 1896 ~= 1900 calories.

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oh and ISO STAR is a sports engery drink, popular in the UK.
Useless sugar, unless it is sugar free. Most are high in sodium as well.

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the guy giving me advice so far is an athlete....which is quite lean and appears to have different goals to me...
If he is a Personal Trainer in any fashion, ignore him. They have an agenda.

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when you say eat more i agree but what and when? sorry to appear dumb but i understand i should have more protein....are the times i'm eating ok? and what do you suggest is better for lunch and an afternoon meal pre workout? at the moment i think i'm intaking around 1000 calories a day before workout...
You're far from dumb! Without someone to show you things, it's hard to know where to start! Get protein with each meal. Shoot for about 160g. I would eat every 2-3 hours, small meals. Try to break them up throughout the day. Also, try not to eat heavy fat meals with heavy carb meals. That is where you get in trouble. Don't eat right before a workout. 2 hours before is a minimum to avoid food in the stomach. RIGHT after your workout (which should be with heavy weights) you should injest a high GI carb and lots of protein, but no[little] fat! I like milk and a pack of dextrose candy and chicken.

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it would be great to have a general meal plan so i know whats good to consume for my 5 - 6 meals a day...in order to lose weight.
Please check out my journal and see some of the foods I eat.

Oatmeal, Brown Rice, Chicken Breast, Flaxseed Oil, minor fruit, lots of veggies, turkey, FISH, I hope you like RAW FISH because it is great for you!

GOOD LUCK! And let me know how you progress
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diet


Hi Danugi

thank you for your help.

i looked at your journal and bought some oatmeal today.
i will cut out the 100% pure fruit juice and only try to consume whole fruit like apples. I really like chicken, turkey etc...i'm not too keen on fish but i dont mind cod.
i already have some whey protein powder ready...

what i'm going to do is put together a plan for my average daily intake and post it here later? see if i'm on the right track!

oh and the guy giving me advice is a personal trainner....but he was saying if i'm not losing the weight i might have to cut out the evening meal....which i thought was mad or i was going to feel weak!

hopefully now the weight will shift!

thanks

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Old 22-Jun-02, 09:49 PM   #9
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The personal trainer is a moron. Don't be cutting a meal, spread your meals out throughout the day so your calories are distributed more evenly.

Things look good so far! I hope you bought old fashion oatmeal and not the crappy sugary kind I found if you put 40g in the microwave with 1/2 cup of milk and cook for 2 minutes, then pour the other 1/2 cup on it, it tastes great! Especially with some strawberries!

Hammer out a diet, let me know what it looks like, and I'll try to help steer you clear of common pitfalls!

To your health!
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Old 23-Jun-02, 01:05 PM   #10
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diet plan


Hi!

well i put together a rough plan of what i think is right to eat to include enough protein and also cut the fat. Hopefully this is correct and will work in order to build muscle and lose weight!?!

8:15am oatmeal(milk) meal1
11am apple (whey proetin) meal2
1pm 150g malt loaf, tomateos meal3
3pm 5 slices turkey,pita? meal 4
5pm whey protein meal 5
6:30pm 60 min workout
8pm evening meal meal 6

i tried to split the meals up and space them every couple of hours. i think i will be getting enough protein to start with the protein shakes, turkey and evening meal, oh and the milk in the morning with the oatmeal?

if this is still not quite right then please give comment and i'll do my best to make the changes!

thanks

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Old 23-Jun-02, 01:37 PM   #11
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You should take some protein seconds before bed. This will stop you going catabolic.

Weights man. Too much cardio and not enough weights makes a man look a bit dull.

Check some of Fudomyo's posts about the benefits of weights against cardio.

Up your protein, down your carbs and fat, it works!!

Have you measured your body fat %?

Hope it helps

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body fat %


I think my body fat was 18% when i did a test on some webpage but how accurate that was i'm not sure...

i'm taking in more protein now with a whey protein based drink so see how things go! i'm doing weights tonight on my legs!

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