Vitamins

[Merrida]

I'm opting to post this here and not under "supplements" because this has more to do with me getting what "should" be my natural and healthy intake of vitamins, minerals, nutrients, just for the sake of health, not "supplements" for the sake of GHR, etc.

I've spent a fortune trying various multi-vitamin, mineral formulas, but they all get me unbelievably nauseous. I've tried liquid ones thinking if I can bypass the stomach I'll bypass the nausea. Nope, no such luck. Same thing for sublingual. Again, nausea. To top it off, I'll also pass them so I'm not only getting ill but wasting my money.

Today I went shopping and decided to try something new. Chewable children's vitamins. I am wondering if, for whatever reason, the adult dose (and nope, I don't mega-dose on vitamins) of regular vitamins just didn't suit me.

I've tried enzymes (because I already know I have issues with some enzymes where my body cannot break down certain foods, so I assume that extends to particular nutrients as well).

I think this is an interesting experiment, and I almost wonder if it would help me build a tolerance to get to an adult dose. Even if not, I know I'm doing something to help my body get what it is not getting currently.

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[westside24]

look yo wanna know what I do?

I am currently using vitamin shoppes multivit. but one thing ive noticed with all vitamins...

Serving size 2 Capsules
Vitamin A 2000% DA
Vitamin B 4000% DA
Vitamin C 3000% DA
Niacin 17000% DA


Get my point so far? Why take 2 capsules, when 1 capsule is sufficient... further more why not just break one capsule in half, and take it one half in morning, one half late evening preferably after workout....

that would make 25% of suggest serving size which will still equal everything out to be about 500% DA, which is still more than enough, which your pee is still turning colors which means youre still wasting the goods, but not as much, and maybe it would help cut down on your nausea.... Just a suggestion.

[Gooseneck]

Its the vitamin A that makes you nauseous when taking it. I would just try taking them with some food. Orange juice seems to help some too.

[westside24]

Yes definately! all vitamins are to be taken with food, never on empty stomache... just in case you didnt think of it.

[bodyshop20]

Most of us over dose vit in take and you can get yr RDA from all the food you eat.
Suppliments are very un cost effective and you will piss out most of the over dosed vits

[Atlas]

I like the AST 32x vitamins. Always seemed to work well for me. One pill, not overkilled like Animal Pak.

[sweetdream]

Originally Posted by bodyshop20

Most of us over dose vit in take and you can get yr RDA from all the food you eat.
Suppliments are very un cost effective and you will piss out most of the over dosed vits

AGREED! --> and pissing them out is only for the water-soluble vitamins (B and C)

taking vitamin/ mineral supplements is unnecessary for a healthy/active person.

In my personal training certification book I am reading to get certified, they recommend a 1 a day multi-vitamin but that is it!

all vitamins and minerals that you need in a day will be consumed through your diet if you are eating a variety of fruits/veggies/lean meats and the unsaturated fats

Westside-->The RDA is a recommended daily amount but is NOT a minimum, a large margin is included 500% is ridiculous! why do you think your body needs this much?!?!?

you are getting into "Toxic levels" when you reach these levels!

Merrida--> it seems like you are strong on the fact that you aren't getting the right vitamins/minerals through diet. I'm curious as to why this is? your daily eating habits shouldn't be so strict that they are stripping you of vital vitamins/minerals. I am sure you know this can cause serious damage to your bones when your body starts extracting them from your bones

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by sweetdream

AGREED! --> and pissing them out is only for the water-soluble vitamins (B and C)

taking vitamin/ mineral supplements is unnecessary for a healthy/active person.

In my personal training certification book I am reading to get certified, they recommend a 1 a day multi-vitamin but that is it!

all vitamins and minerals that you need in a day will be consumed through your diet if you are eating a variety of fruits/veggies/lean meats and the unsaturated fats

Westside-->The RDA is a recommended daily amount but is NOT a minimum, a large margin is included 500% is ridiculous! why do you think your body needs this much?!?!?

you are getting into "Toxic levels" when you reach these levels!

Merrida--> it seems like you are strong on the fact that you aren't getting the right vitamins/minerals through diet. I'm curious as to why this is? your daily eating habits shouldn't be so strict that they are stripping you of vital vitamins/minerals. I am sure you know this can cause serious damage to your bones when your body starts extracting them from your bones

Nonsense, an active person require a higher intake of vitamins/minerals.

Food vitamin content can not even be classified so little remains by te time we have finished preparing it.

the rda is a minimum. There are other levels ODI optimal Daily intake.

why is your certificate recommending a multivit if sufficient values is got in diet?

[sweetdream]

Originally Posted by Maxgain

Nonsense, an active person require a higher intake of vitamins/minerals.

Food vitamin content can not even be classified so little remains by te time we have finished preparing it.

the rda is a minimum. There are other levels ODI optimal Daily intake.

why is your certificate recommending a multivit if sufficient values is got in diet?

Sorry, but it's far from nonsense...
even if an active person needs more, they don't not 500 times more! now that's nonsense

I disagree that the RDA is a minimum, it is NOT. It clearly states that...

"it is not a minimal amount needed to prevent disease symptoms- a large margin of safety is included" ACE 2003

"...the consumer who takes a simple one-a-day type of vitamin or mineral supplement that does not exceed the nutrient levels of the RDA is probably not doing any harm..." ACE 2003

"...it may be appropriate to suggest a multiple one-a-day to clients who limit their food selection and calories.." ACE 2003 also suggested to the vegetarians

Have you looked a a vitamin chart lately? you only need 900ug of vitamin A, 1.2 mg of vitamin B, and 90mg of Vitamin C... not going to sit here and list them all but what good does it do your body when you are getting 450mg of Vitamin C when you are only going to piss it out in the end?

Not really on the same page with you on why someone would need to basically overdose on these.. are you someone who limits calories? or has a limited food selection like not eating meat or fish? if you said no to these then what is the BENEFIT from exceeding the RDA?

ALSO.. are we on the same page about how MUCH is being taken in. I am talking about extremely high doses, not the average one-a day but it seems like you may be referring to more than one pill
Also, if food items can't be classified how do you know how much you are actually getting, it could be more than you think

[sweetdream]

also..I think the LONG run of taking extremely high doses of these supplements would obviously be more damaging than short term

[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by sweetdream

Have you looked a a vitamin chart lately? you only need 900ug of vitamin A, 1.2 mg of vitamin B, and 90mg of Vitamin C... not going to sit here and list them all but what good does it do your body when you are getting 450mg of Vitamin C when you are only going to piss it out in the end?

I only need it for what? To get by in life or to have optimal health?

If our diets are so good why is there so much illness ?

1.2mg of vitamin B? what vitamin B all of them?

What it does to my body when I take them in optimal amounts is that I'm healthy, I don't get sick I never have had to take an antibiotic. I can support working days of 11 hours straight and then train. I don't need coffee to get me going.

Why is it that at least 70% of adolescents are deficient in zinc.
Why are people so poor at handling stress.
Why is stress the number one cause of sick days.
why is their so much hypertension cases and samples shown to have low magnesium.
why have large samples of women being shown to have low calcium intake giving a greater risk to osteoarthritis,
so much cancers when high dose antioxidants and vitamin d have been shown to help prevent
studies showing below optimal omega3 intake in western populations..

etc etc. The list goes on and people bring a lot of malaise on by not knowing properly about their diet and where to supplement


Perhaps if people actually took decent amounts of vitamins B and C they would be better.

[LiftGirl]

Originally Posted by Maxgain

If our diets are so good why is there so much illness ?





Why is it that at least 70% of adolescents are deficient in zinc.
Why are people so poor at handling stress.
Why is stress the number one cause of sick days.
why is their so much hypertension cases and samples shown to have low magnesium.
why have large samples of women being shown to have low calcium intake giving a greater risk to osteoarthritis,
so much cancers when high dose antioxidants and vitamin d have been shown to help prevent
studies showing below optimal omega3 intake in western populations..

etc etc. The list goes on and people bring a lot of malaise on by not knowing properly about their diet and where to supplement


Perhaps if people actually took decent amounts of vitamins B and C they would be better.

Probably because most people eat crap diets. The typical Western diet probably doesn't even approach the RDA. Talia's saying that someone who eats a good (not a typical) diet can get all they need through food, barring special circumstances.

I'm not disagreeing with you, Max, or you Talia; I'm honestly not sure who's right.

[sweetdream]

Originally Posted by Maxgain

I only need it for what? To get by in life or to have optimal health?

If our diets are so good why is there so much illness ?

1.2mg of vitamin B? what vitamin B all of them?

What it does to my body when I take them in optimal amounts is that I'm healthy, I don't get sick I never have had to take an antibiotic. I can support working days of 11 hours straight and then train. I don't need coffee to get me going.

Why is it that at least 70% of adolescents are deficient in zinc.-they would rather eat the cookies in the cupboard than the veggies in the fridge
Why are people so poor at handling stress.I am sure their are trillions of reasons but focusing that on lacking vitmains/minerals is a pretty lame excuse
Why is stress the number one cause of sick days.-because people hate their jobs
why is their so much hypertension cases and samples shown to have low magnesium.people aren't educated before they jump into the fitness pool
why have large samples of women being shown to have low calcium intake giving a greater risk to osteoarthritis,people aren't choosing the right foods
so much cancers when high dose antioxidants and vitamin d have been shown to help prevent im not a dr. but i am pretty sure that their are all sorts of different types of cancer and if you do one good thing it's contradicted by something bad. even the healthiest people alive die of cancer
studies showing below optimal omega3 intake in western populations..americans are meat eaters more than fish eaters

etc etc. The list goes on and people bring a lot of malaise on by not knowing properly about their diet and where to supplement EXACTLY! Because they just don't care, but people who are on this forum do, and research, other people don't have the time or think it just doesn't matter


Perhaps if people actually took decent amounts of vitamins B and C they would be better true, but, the fat-soluable vitamins are the ones that get stored in your body .

First of all, if our diet are so good? I am not talking about every single person on this planet.... because "our" diets aren't good. In fact I can picture over 50% of peoples diet's not being "good"

so what happened to you BEFORE you took all of these vitamins/mineral supplements--did your Dr. say you needed to because of deficiencies? do u limit certain foods? are you a vegetarian?

I am a vegetarian and do not take any of these and I got sick once in over a year because I caught it from someone else, my body rid of it on it's own WITHOUT relying on anti-biotics or added supplements in less than 5 days (I am sure you will come back and say -" see I DON'T get sick" but I'm trying to make a point that I without supplements I do not get sick)

The answers to every single question is that people:
1) aren't educated enough about nutrition
2) don't care
3) if they do care they don't get the right information because they rely on millions of websites that contradict themselves


As lift girl pointed out, I am referring to those who are AWARE of what they are eating, they they DO follow the guidelines of getting a variety of foods in their diet, decreases saturated fats and getting more fruits and veggies, the people who exercise as often as they should...these are the people that shouldn't need to take supplements

the typical American thinks they know what they should eat or that they should pick this instead of that, but guess what? in the end people reach for the piece of cake instead of the veggies, it's what people do


Again, you never explained how much you take these pills or what it is that you take but all I am saying is that taking a lot of pills with a lot of extra vitamins/minerals doesn't seem worth it. If I can survive, be completely healthy by being a vegetarian and not taking supplements, I can sure as hell argue that a carnivore is getting more nutrients that someone who doesn't have a clue what RDA even means

clearly we are never going to agree on this but I would like to know the amounts and doses of what you take if you are willing to share.

[Klide]

Sweetdream you can not change someone's mind unless they are willing to see the possibility that they may not be correct. If Maxgain wants to "piss" his money down the drain.... let him.

[Klide]

I take a multi and a fish oil... and I am not 100% convinced that I need the fish oil and I feel fine.