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Old 09-Apr-06, 12:42 PM   #1
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critique my plan


Hi folks,

I'd appreciate any comments/feedback on my plan...

A couple years ago I lost alot of weight due to lack of caloric intake because of a digestive illness (went from 185--> 135lb within 6 months). One great side effect of being horribly sick is that I did enjoy being skinny. I stayed skinny & sick for over a year.

Well then I got healthier, started eating alot of crap, and gained all the weight right back. Its amazing how easy it is to eat healthy when fatty foods cause you pain.

For the past 6 months I've been yo-yo'ing, trying to get fit, trying to lose weight. As of today I weight 190lb. I've done an okay job at adhering to exercise ~ 3 times a week, but done nothing about the diet.

Well now I can barely fit in my pants (i'm 34" waste), and want to make a real effort.

My goals:
..Get to under 150lb and stay there.
..Improve my hockey game (i play recreational roller hockey)
..Be able to fit into some of the clothes I bought while I was sick
..Attract a hot girl
..Do the above as quickly as possible.


I've done alot of reading all over the net for the past 6 months, and here's my current plan of attack:::

Diet:
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Breakfast~(7am): bowl of cereal & skim milk
Brunch Snack~(10am): fat free yogurt or something calorically similar
Lunch~(12:30pm): grilled chicken sandwich, fruit
Afternoon Snack~(3pm): Something healthy not too much quantitiy.
Dinner~(7pm): Indian food (I'm indian), nothing fried, nothing oily
If I get hungry in the middle: eat grapes, apples, oranges, etc
Only liquids should be water or milk. Diet soda if i really need soda.

Exercise: 1-2hr/day
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Pretty much follow the "Body For Life" weight training rep scheme and its cardio scheme but schedule it differently.
I'll be hitting each muscle group twice a week. The cardio might be excessive but if it doesn't hurt my progress, and I'm able to do it I don't see why not atleast try.
I'm going to do it all (or as much as possible at home -- I've got free weights & a treadmill). I can make it to the gym once or twice a week if I need to do an exercise that I can't do at home.

Saturday Morning:
....Hockey Game (1hr)
Saturday Evening:
....Barbell Back Squats (~8 min)
....Barbell Bench Press (~8 min)
....Dumbell Lunges (~8 min)
....Shoulder Press (~8 min)
Sunday Morning:
....Standing Heel Raises (~8 min)
....Bent Over Row (~8 min)
....SitUps (~8 min)
....Deadlifts (~8 min)
....cardio (~20 min)
Sunday Night:
....pylometrics (~10-20 min)
Monday Morning:
....Dumbell Curls (~8 min)
....Barbell Back Squats (~8 min)
....cardio (~20 min)
....walk (~20 min)
Monday Evening:
....Barbell Bench Press (~8 min)
....Dumbell Lunges (~8 min)
....pylometrics (~10-20 min)
Tuesday Morning:
....Shoulder Press (~8 min)
....Standing Heel Raises (~8 min)
....cardio (~20 min)
....walk (~20 min)
Tuesday Night:
....Bent Over Row (~8 min)
....SitUps (~8 min)
....Deadlifts (~8 min)
....Dumbell Curls (~8 min)
Wednesday Morning:
....cardio (~20 min)
....walk (~40 min)
Wednesday Night:
....walk (~60 min)
Thursday morning
....cardio (~20 min)
....walk (~40 min)
Thursday night
....walk (~60 min)
Friday:
....let body relax for saturday's game

Is there any weight exercise that I'm missing or that would be better for a particular group than the one I have listed?

The biggest issue I see is the mental issue: Ignoring the cravings for popeye's fried chicken or greasy pizza.

The walking may be unnecessary but its in there for 2 reason:
1. Burn extra calories early on (as long as it wouldn't impede muscle growth?)
2. I want to learn a foreign language so am going to be spending the time listening to audio tapes anyways so might as well be on the treadmill instead of sitting on my bed.

I think the only way I'm actually going to go thru with this is if there's some kind of accountability. For that, I'm going to keep a list of all my caloric intake and exercise schedule. I'll try to post that in this thread weekly (another form of accountability).

Any suggestions/comments?
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Old 09-Apr-06, 09:11 PM   #2
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That's a nicely laid out presentation of background information. To do it justice, I'm going to sleep on it. See you tomorrow! I'm sure that others will offer constructive feedback.
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Old 11-Apr-06, 11:31 AM   #3
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I'm assuming that you're male. How tall are you?

The (im)balance of exercise that you've laid out is interesting. What lead you to define the sequence that you have? Is there a reason for the dual-sessions per day?
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Old 11-Apr-06, 02:14 PM   #4
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I'm sure others will be able to give you more concrete advice but wanted to comment on the "mental" issue of craving foods that are bad for you. It might be tough to cut them out 100% so maybe let yourself know that they are allowed once in a while. Perhaps only on a social occasion? I think you are totally right to monitor your daily diet and think your food place is pretty solid, but no need to torture yourself by completely elminating things you really like.
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Old 12-Apr-06, 12:58 PM   #5
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Yes I'm male, 5'7

The sequence was based on a few ideas--
I want to exercise each muscle group twice a week.
I need to be well rested for my hockey game (hence no weights on wed/thu/fri).
More weights on sat/sun because I have more time on those days.
Its probably easier to lift for shorter periods of time more times/week than for 45-60 min twice a week.
If I'm only doing 2 lifting exercises at a time, its probably easier to do one lower body and one upper body than 2 lower body (or 2 upper body). Same comment goes for 4 lifting exercises at a time (2/2 split).
Try to get atleast 48 hours rest before retraining the same muscle (except on the squat where i have about 36 hours).

The reason for the dual sessions per day is because I'm free in the morning and at night and its not much of an impact on my day. IE I get get up, workout before showing. Then at night I can do the same and shower after the workout. I can hopefully do it without saying to myself "i don't have time for this right now". Also the dual sessions would help the "lose weight as quickly as possible" goal assuming my body can take the rigor.
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Old 12-Apr-06, 01:00 PM   #6
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I think you're right on the diet aspect mango. It might be alot more seamless/easy if I gradually tone down -- like drop out soda and improve my breakfast in weeks 1-2, then drop out unhealthy snacks in week 3-4, then after that tone down my lunch after that etc.
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Old 13-Apr-06, 12:12 PM   #7
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I see nothing to directly address your hamstrings (except the db-lunge), yet you're doing squats and calf raises twice per week.

For your back add some heavy lat pull-downs or weighted pull-ups.

You're doing biceps curls twice a week, yet aren't addressing your triceps. Consider adding lying triceps extensions.

Replace the sit-ups with either cap'n-crunches or hanging hip curls.

Are you exercising in a circuit-training style or are you lifting heavier (with rest between defined sets)? What is your target rep scheme per set?
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Old 15-Apr-06, 06:00 PM   #8
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My target rep scheme is going to be 3 sets by 8 - 12 reps/set
I'll add tricep extensions and a closed grip bench press for the triceps
The cap'n crunches seem intriguing. Nice exercises, I'll give them a try.
I'll throw in some lat pull downs.

Thanks for the comments

I didn't really do any of this working out last week cuz I had a fever, so tonight I'm going to start the regimen.
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Try lowering the rep scheme by a couple.
I think you'll like the triceps extensions ... at least I always have.
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Old 16-Apr-06, 11:26 AM   #10
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Alright here's my new schedule --

I'll try a 3x8 target rep scheme --
try to get 8 reps the first 2 sets, and max out on the last set. If I can get to atleast 10 reps on last set then I'll increase my weight for the next time.
I was originally going to try the body for life rep scheme (12,10,8,6,12 reps followed by a second exercise targetting the same muscle for 12 reps with increasing weight as reps get lower), but I think 7 sets takes just way too long and I'm not a fan of the time it takes to constantly change the amount of weights on the bar.

Saturday Morning
Roller hockey game

Saturday 8pm
BB Back Squat, BB Bench Press, BB Lunge, Shoulder Press, Standing Heel Raise,

Saturday Before Bed
Sit Ups, Superman

Sunday As Soon As I Wake Up
Bent Over Row, Close Grip Bench Press, Barbell Curl, Lat Pulldowns, Deadlifts
Cardio 20 min
Sunday 7pm
Cardio 20 min

Monday As Soon As I Wake Up
Cardio 20 min, Walk 40 min

Monday 9pm
BB Back Squat, Incline DB Bench Press, DB Lunge, Shoulder Press, Standing Heel Raise , Cap n Crunch, Good Mornings

Tuesday As Soon As I Wake Up
Bent Over Row, Tricep Extensions, Hammer Curl
Cardio 20 min, Walk 20 min

Tuesday 9pm
Lat Pull Downs, Deadlifts
Wednesday As Soon As I Wake Up
Cardio 20 min, Walk 40 min

Wednesday 5pm
Misc Exercises at gym --
Pull Ups, Chin Ups ,Dips , Squat (Smith Machine), Whatever else
Thursday Morning
Cardio 20 min, Walk 40 min

Thursday Night
Walk 60 min

Friday
Relax, possible ice hockey game at night

Diet goals for this week will be
- no candy (this is a tough one..my workplace has an abundance of free candy)
- no soda
- decent breakfast (good cereal with ff milk)

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Old 18-Apr-06, 09:11 AM   #11
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I would not do weigth training "as soon as you wake up" without some nutrition to fuel those exercises. You might consider changing that. I see no problem with doing your cardio that way though.
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