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Old 26-Nov-05, 11:37 AM   #1
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How much cardio while bulking?


Everyone knows I've only been trying to actually be more fit and healthy for about 2 years. Before that, as I got fatter and fatter, the joke was that I was in training for sumo. Although that joke wasn't actually correct, those guys can really put out some explosive power - I couldn't.

I lift 3 days out of 4. I work the whole body 1 or 2 body parts/lifting day about twice a week. I try to do cardio 2 or 3 days out of 4. In case no one has figured it out, my work schedule gives me 1 day at work, 1 day on call, 2 days completely off. Sometimes the on call day interferes with my workouts - especially cardio. Gee, imagine that if I have to choose between lifting and cardio, I choose to lift.

For cardio, I walk, try to run, ride a bike, ride my cardioglide and split firewood. Time and mileage varies. My goal is to be able to run 3 miles without having to walk (a ways off from that one) immediately after a 12 mile bike ride and 1/2 mile swim. Right now, I'm riding the bike 8-12 miles every chance I get. Trying to build the leg strength and endurance to make it 20 miles eventually. Hopefully the riding will build my endurance with the running too. It's the cardiovascular endurance that stops the running, not muscle failure.

Right now, I've started a bulking diet to hopefully gain some size and strength over the winter. I know the cardio may interfere with that goal. However, I'm doing this for overall fitness, not just to get big.

Some people say, "don't do cardio while bulking". They say that too much "endurance" training will leave the body looking like Lance Armstrong. Definitely not my goal. However, I imagine that someone like that must ride hundreds of miles a day, not the small amount I do a couple of times a week.

I've seen cyclists who have big legs, and runners who have HUGE legs. I know that when walking, I can really feel the muscles in the legs and butt working (when doing more vigorous things, I mostly just feel short of breath) .

Now to my question. Since some runners and cyclists do get big legs - any idea approximately what the point is where the training stops making the muscles bigger and they start getting smaller for more endurance. There is no question that a smaller person can last longer because the smaller muscles don't need as much oxygen and fuel so they don't tire as easily. A good thing for an endurance athlete, rock climber, bike racer...not good for a bodybuilder. Ok so I don't really count as a bodybuilder, but you get the idea of my question. How much cardio training can one do and still get bigger and stronger - especially get the legs bigger. It really sucks when you go to the bike shop and the guy that runs the place says, "you look more like a bodybuilder than a cyclist but you do have cycling legs". I know the legs are my worse body part, but to be told I have cycling legs - what an insult - I've got to change that.

In case anyone has forgotten, I'm trying to get bigger, stronger, AND develop enough cardiovascular fitness to compete in a triathalon in the spring.

Oh and a note on the diet - to keep from losing anything from it, I feed the cardio sessions before and after - just like my weight training. Protein, creatine, glutamine, before and protein, creatine, glutamine, more glutamine, and dextrose after. Then 30 minutes later a protein complex carb meal. Then 2 hours later another protein, complex carb meal with some extra green vegetables.

I know that each body is different and we have to find exactly what dietary needs we indivually have, what cardio needs we individually have, and what kind of weight training gives the best results to our own body. But I was just wondering if anyone has any idea in general about how much cardio will actually help muscles grow instead of getting smaller.

I know, we can't have it all and wanting it all is asking a bit much of the body. But you try being a 300 pound lardass someday then get in shape (or sort of in shape) and see if you don't want it all too. I don't think anyone can do it without developing a desire to become totally fit in everything they do.

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OK still no answer.

How does this sound: Bike ride 12-16 miles. On other days - run 100 yards, walk 100 yards - repeat for about 4 miles. On days I can't get out to do anything else - cardioglide for 15 minutes.

I still have bird legs - my wife said this morning they were looking bigger - that's probably because I've added 1500-1700 calories a day to my diet and have really been a slacker when it comes to cardio. Cardio slacking may help get bigger, but it won't help with a good heart or conditioning to survive the triathalon in the spring. I just wonder if the mix of sprinting and walking would help make the legs bigger.
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It seems that the squat work that you are doing is going to get your legs as big as they are destined to get, taking into account your genetics.

If your goal is to to run 3 miles, then make your running sessions as best as you can, building up to a distance of 3 miles. I think you'll have success with something like this: run for 50 seconds then sprint for 10 seconds, then walk for 60 seconds = 2 minutes. Do this until you are able to complete 3 consecutive sessions of 1 mile. Then continue with this cadence except increase it to 2 miles. Same 3 consecutive workout achievement. Then continue with this cadence except increase it to 3 miles. Same 3 consecutive workout achievement.

Next, drop the mileage back to 2 miles except increase the running time and decrease the walking time gradually. After 3 consecutive successful sessions, up the mileage back to 3 miles.

Basically, you try to move in the direction of increasing your running time, increasing your faster running time, and decreasing your walking down. It will take you a longer time to get to 3 continuous miles this way but given your aversion to running I think you'll have greater success. And if you do this running workout 3 times a week on non squat days, I think your legs will grow and develop as much as is genetically possible.

Be flexible and progress slowly. Basically, you need to get your cardiovascular conditioning even with your leg conditioning, and retrain your mind to enjoy the cardiovascular aspect of this kind of training.

Just remember to get in a good lower body stretching session after your runs so your hammies don't tighten up on you.
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Thanks perini, I've kind of done that before - running a bit walking a bit - but for 8 miles total. 2-3 miles of it was running at the most. I've just noticed that some of the runners have great looking big legs - they seem to be the ones who do shorter runs though...not the long distance stuff.

Thanks for the input - I'll give it a try next time out. Today's schedule is pretty tight, so I'll be riding the cardioglide tonight after the basketball game.
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