I'm pissed off

[Maxgain]

What the title says Im pissed off at the whole bodybuilding fitness scene.

My training it sucks, I want to be fit I want to be strong I want to be big I cant seem to achieve it all

There is no room for it all I make gains in weights I start doing cardio and strength plummets.
Fitness is pretty muck and does not seem to be improving.
I hate cardio so much and cant motivate myself to do it its just so hard and boring.

So then I get introduced to crossfit its great. Dont know how much my endurance is increasing but at least Im working out hard and it is hitting me.
Its hitting me so hard its leaving me exhausted I do it in the morning and am wrecked all day.
Next day is weights and after a build up of a few crossfit sections now my shoulders etc are starting to ache from all the pull ups pressups etc.

My strength in weight lifting is thus plummeting more and more.

So weight lifting we all know the big ones you arent training unless you squat and deadlift.
Well Im not training, I have a knee injury for years and have spent hundreds trying to fix it but no good it pisses me off. So many people are such pansies and wont do these lifts I'd love to do them and I cant.

All my money practically goes on food and supps.
I eat as much as I can but still dont gain.
I dont want to eat dirty I just cant raise an appetite early on in the day it blows.

Every meal has to be preared, every eveing spent making them -I wont eat food left in fridge over a day-.
Every night its bed early, no drinking training the next day no going out training the next day.
It takes me so long for recovery I cant afford to.

Oh I take sometime out and go and socialise etc but for the majority my life revolves around training I cant let up I dont want to let up.

If I dont strive to be the best or put my utmost into achieving something I must not interested in doing it. 100% or Im not bothered at all.


So anyway now my rant is over I had a crappy few days sewn up by a dreadful training session there where all the work of last 3 months seemed undone and just wanted to blow off some steam.

So any comments telling me to cop onto myself are welcome.

Maxgain

[gymgirl]

when was the last time you took a week or two off Max?

[Rufiedodg]

It really sounds like you’re pulling all your self worth from fitness. I hope I’m wrong. You have to put the whole “fitness thing” into perspective.

Fitness, as much as we all want it, is only a piece of what makes us effective at living life. At best “fitness” only provides assistance for achieving other thing that really matter.

You need to step back and reassess your training protocol so that you are excited (really looking forward) to your next workout. Staying excited about what you are doing plays big in staying fit and progressing over time.


My 2 cents

Dan

Hi Maxgain,

That's terrible - I bet you are the only person in the whole wide world experiencing that and feeling like that. Welcome to the "real fitness world".

Pull out your bible and read the Book of Job. Then come back here and, if you are still feeling "woe me" bad, we will give you some advice and comfort.

[CF-OC_gal]

Geez maxi, I never thought you were feeling so bad. I know it is cliche but do you think you might be "trying too hard"?

You are a really smart guy about nutrition and stuff. You've also got a lot of "rules to follow". And your supplements cost a small fortune. How about lightening up a little. I doubt you would slip into unmanageable weight gain.

Try following the crossfit WODs that my affiliate puts together. It is a very doable mix of regular and strength training circuits (MWF strength based one week then T TH strength the next, Saturdays are painstorm style suffering and sundays are rest days) It's at crossfitmobile .com

[.V.]

Ok, so be pissed off. We all have the right to be like that sometimes. Then take two weeks off and get over it. Then get back at it.

Oh yeah, and do you really need the supplements? If I feel I'm pissing my money away on something that's not really giving me any benefit, I get mad about it too.

Then when you start back, just stick with something you enjoy and realize that you can do what I do...try to do it all and sometimes not get anywhere but enjoy the effort. Or you can instead pick one thing; size, strength, cardiovascular fitness and stick to it until you get there.

Things to think about on your time off, because it does sound as if you need a break.

[xtremetris]

Yo dude now your starting to piss me off... You cant be serious you have to have posted that as a joke to try and piss everyone else of..

Why in the hell would you complain about working out and then being sore the next day, see now stuff like that just drives me crazy do you know that your usually SUPPOSE to be sore after working out the muscles? Working the muscles tears the muscle and then it repairs itself thats one of the reasons why they are sore. Your being very ignoranyt and im sorry everyone for talking like this but hes made me very iiritated from that stupid post.

First of all MAX, your trying extremley way too hard, your maing it as you have to train every single day every single minute. WRONG 3 days a week is really all you need and you dont have to train your legs to be really big, YOU SHOULD it helps yes, but you can still get a big upper body without working your legs. Your suppose to take at least a week off every month from training.

And you dont need supplements or protein shakes.. Eat natural food such as steak chicken fish and vegetables etc etc. GOOD FOOD, dude these guys here have helped me alot with exercises, ive been eating like crazy all natural food and no supplements and my arms getting really really big. Last time i meassured was 1 month ago and my arms were 14.6 inches, now they are 15.2. JUST EAT AND WORKOUT 3 DAYS A WEEK.

Dude dont post ignorant posts like that, that stuff drives me crazy..

[.V.]

It was a rant, not an ignorant post. Any of us who feels we are busting our ass and getting no where has the right to rant occasionally.

yeah, he's possibly overtraining and working very hard. Now he can correct that. 3 days a week is fine with some programs, others need up to 5. No one plan works for everyone.

A week or two off every two or three months is fine too. Again, depends on the indivudual.

Another thing, do like I've just done. Address each issue as you feel. Just make no personal attacks.

Here's an example of how to address issues and not make attacks:

"dude, you've gained 1/2 inch of muscle on your arms in a month? wow, I'd like to see some pictures of that".

Or

"No way you've gained 1/2 inch in a month, that's not possible, you must just be getting fat."

Now which one would you rather see addressed to you? The first I believe.

So, address issues but don't attack other members. Thank you.

[xtremetris]

No man it just makes me aggrevated that he expects not to be sore after working out and complaining about eating healthy... its common sense.. But im sorry i didnt mean to rash out like that, it just made me very irritated.

[.V.]

Ok, just remember we are all here to support each other and sometimes someone has a bad day or needs a new approach. Ranting or venting to friends is one way to deal with that. We don't want to seem to be making attacks for that.

There are some here that I've enjoyed some interesting debates with and I'm sure that if we were talking in person they'd have gotten really irritated and beat me up. However, most of the time we manage to live by the wisdom of mr. P and "attack the issue, not the poster". If we do this, harmony is maintained, knowledge is shared, and all is cool.

Have fun and I hope your day is a great one.

[Dan C]

I think Max has received some good replies in this thread. I had a mind to respond in the same manner as everyone who posted here. Literally, I had thought some of the exact things Rufiedog, gymgirl, perini, brat, welch and Xtremetris had said.

So I'll take a different angle now.

I train a maximum of 1.5 hours a week, total. I regularly eat at cheap Chinese buffet's and can (and do) eat more at one sitting than anyone I know. I smoke cigars and drink copius amounts of alcohol on the weekend. My supplement budget runs around $50 a year. I make up my workouts 5 minutes before I do them. I've deadlifted 575, squatted 405, C&P 250 for 2 and am bigger, stronger, healthier and better conditioned than I have ever been. I am 6'1" and weigh 255lbs and can see my abs (only the top two, and only in the right light... and only first thing in the morning, LOL!). I love exercising, am enthusiatic about strength, and training is a MAJOR component of my life (career and hobby), but in the grand scheme of things, getting bigger and stronger is only a small part of what life is all about.

Take some time and enjoy the journey, Maxgain.

And BTW, I've long since gotten over the disgusting mess that is the reality of the bodybuilding fitness scene.

[Rufiedodg]

Originally Posted by Dan C

I think Max has received some good replies in this thread. I had a mind to respond in the same manner as everyone who posted here. Literally, I had thought some of the exact things Rufiedog, gymgirl, perini, brat, welch and Xtremetris had said.

So I'll take a different angle now.

I train a maximum of 1.5 hours a week, total. I regularly eat at cheap Chinese buffet's and can (and do) eat more at one sitting than anyone I know. I smoke cigars and drink copius amounts of alcohol on the weekend. My supplement budget runs around $50 a year. I make up my workouts 5 minutes before I do them. I've deadlifted 575, squatted 405, C&P 250 for 2 and am bigger, stronger, healthier and better conditioned than I have ever been. I am 6'1" and weigh 255lbs and can see my abs (only the top two, and only in the right light... and only first thing in the morning, LOL!). I love exercising, am enthusiatic about strength, and training is a MAJOR component of my life (career and hobby), but in the grand scheme of things, getting bigger and stronger is only a small part of what life is all about.

Take some time and enjoy the journey, Maxgain.

And BTW, I've long since gotten over the disgusting mess that is the reality of the bodybuilding fitness scene.

I like your comment Dan.

All the effort some people put into diet and exercise seems a bit silly. Truthfully it’s ego that keeps most of us in the gym. It’s that same ego that can cloud our perception of what it is to live a healthy, happy, and productive life.

Dan

Max, I haven't been able to get this thread out of my head. You sound so much like me in my younger days of lifting it isn't even funny, so I can surely relate to your frustration. You have gotten a ton of great advice here and what I'm about to say is probably going to seem repetitive but here goes anyway.

I've found the only supps really worthwhile on a regular basis is protein, creatine, EFA's, and before it was outlawed in the US - ephedrine. Most other stuff is smoke and mirrors - great marketing to get you to part with your hard earned dollars. What I do now instead of buying the latest and greatest supplement to come along is invest my money in books. I'm reading all I can from the masters of the sport, then applying it in my own training to see what works best. And I'll give everything I usually try an honest evaluation of a minimum of 4 to 6 months before I dump it. I've found things that work for me this way. It takes time and effort but at least I know I'm not staying stagnant. Another thing I will do is play with my protein powder. It helps me (probably on psychologically) when I add BCAA's or certain peptides to my mix. But that is really an inexpensive way to get the most out of my supplement dollars.

Stick with the basics as far as exercises go. The same goes for training protocols - that's why I use full body training. It was best explained in Power Factor Training by Pete Sisco & John Little. Your body is one piece. You can NOT isolate a muscle group from another - it is physically impossible so why even waste your time and try? And you will get more bang from your workout by using heavy deads, squats, cleans, presses, rows, & chins and all their variations.

Don't forget to add consistency in workouts, diet, and recovery. I find I can't miss workouts, meals, or sleep and make gains. It is physically impossible for me to treat my physical fitness goals as second rate and make progress. But I'm not a slave to them either. I get in and out of the gym. I'm there to work, not socialize. I don't need to "bomb" & "blitz" my way to big muscles with insane "intensity". But I do have to work, consistently and intelligently. There has to be a method to my workouts to add weight, reps, or sets every time I pick up the bar or else I'm just wasting my time. That's my definition of intensity and it works for me.

Don't give in to the demons Max. Most of the guys you see in mags pushing things are juiced to the gills. They don't do as they say - it is only a way for them to make a living. Your best interest is not part of their concern - just getting you to part with your hard earned cash and who cares if you give up or not?

You'll be OK bro.

[.V.]

Originally Posted by IronMan

Your best interest is not part of their concern - just getting you to part with your hard earned cash and who cares if you give up or not?

Well, we do. But you are right, the pros pimping the supplements certainly do not care. To them, the advertisers getting their money so that they can keep getting advertising contracts is all that matters.

[Maxgain]

Hey guys.

Thanks for the replies.
There was alot and Ill just address them generally.

The truth of the situation was recent poor workouts just set me off when added to recent frustrations. The underlining cause was good old typical women problems. I was using my workouts as an escape a refuge and when they started going wrong I got angry.

The fact was I was overtraining and 5 days in a row (weights and cardio) was too much for my own recovery abilities. Little niggles of injuries were starting to appear.
I took a few days off and am now getting back there. My fitness has also gone up to allow more running in my cardio and reduce fatigued muscle involvement in crossfit.
I have finished my current 5x5 routine and am now evaluating full body workouts 3x per week in conjunction with crossfit.

For xtremetris this is different to normal doms and I am well aware of what that is. Also while you may be happy with just upper body workouts from your posts and stats you seem obsessed with your tris, for me there is a lot more.

As far as supplements go.
I currently take
protein
waxy maize
creatine
taurine

Regardless of training or not I take for health
cal mag
zinc
fish oils
multivit/ vit c (alternate days)

I definately do not pay for any of these "designer supplements"

Its not that much really but supps are expensive here. Food costs a lot also. I have alot of other expenses at moment as well.
Fact is though come next year I should be in a job on three times current money so should be ok.

Pierini I did not read Job I am aware of the story and its morale. I did spend sometime however in quiet contemplation praying.

Dan thanks for the input you are right about how it should not be taken so seriously but at the same time I have to work so hard to achieve what I have got and to improve it. A few drinks (2,3,4) my diet (appetite goes) and training affected for next 2-3 days alcohol, late nights it really hits me and thats the way it is. Even no alcohol if I am not in bed in agreement with my circadian rythm it hits me badly.

Thanks for all support and replies

Maxgain