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Old 13-Sep-07, 05:48 PM   #1
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Max heart rate issues


I've been trying out a heart rate monitor the last week as I started into a running and weight routine. I did a bunch of reading about how to calculate max HR, and which percentages of that max HR to work in. The problem is coming up with a good max HR.
I started with the most contentious 220-age and got 188, then this formula (210 - 1/2 age - 5%weight + 4) and got 190. The step test and sit down test gave me the same 178. Finally, today I ran about 20 minutes and then sprinted until I felt I would explode, and the max I read was 195. So, which would you go with? During a normal 20-25 minute run at a medium pace, the HRM is reading about 170-175. Does this sound about right for a good HR to train with? My goal is to burn a little fat (I'm 5'9"and 170lbs, so don't need to lose weight really), and just increase my aerobic fitness so my heart makes it to retirement...
Thanks for the help.
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Old 13-Sep-07, 07:56 PM   #2
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I would use the 195 bpm as your max.

I'll give you my two cents on your other questions later when I have more time to give you a quality response.

You are moving in the right direction!
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I have worn a HR monitor for a long time and have incorporated running into my fitness training for a long time. I've never run a marathon, favoring (until recently) 5k and 10k fun run distances, and favoring a treadmill over road running due to old man knees.

Now my running is shorter duration and higher intensity.

I believe to get and sustain a higher level of cardio fitness with running, it is good to train in all HR training zones. Assuming you have 3 days a week to devote to running, here is what I recommend:

1) one day of steady state running for 30-45 minutes at a HR training range of 70-85% of your maximum HR.

2) one day of interval training of different repeat distances. I have been a big fan of 8 rounds of 400 meter repeats with 200 meter walking or jogging recovery. I like to spend time in the 88-92% of my maximum HR when doing the 400 meter repeats.

3) once you have some anaerobic conditioning under your belt, I'd suggest sprint work or hill sprints. Last summer I subjected myself to a grueling, once-a-week, hill sprint workout following the Sprint 8 cadence of Phil Campbell. After warming up and gradually elevating my HR, I did 30 second maximum effort hill sprints, then walked down the hill allowing myself 2 minutes for recovery. I repeated this for 8 rounds so this took (excluding a warmup) 20 minutes exactly. This also works well with track sprints. With this training you approach 95% of maximum HR during the later rounds, depending on your conditioning, weather, and hydration levels.

Take it easy for starters and see where your heart leads you. Remember, something is better than nothing and you will get superfit by incorporating a decent and challenging running component to your fitness programs.

p.s. you can get an equivalent workout doing burpees too.

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Old 14-Sep-07, 07:36 PM   #4
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Thanks for the info. Using the 195 Max HR, I'll try working in those different percentage zones like you suggested.
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Old 16-Sep-07, 03:29 PM   #5
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I know pierini knows his sh-- but i think 195 is a bit high.
Try cycling or running on spot at max rate until you cant endure no more.
Take max heart rate and just take yr age from that number.
This will give you good number to work with for fat burning region.
But simply your max heart rate is what clock says when you give up and your never work at that pace for long.
Hi Pierini admmire yr comments always as i used to run many miles but now at 46 my knees just creak lol
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Old 17-Sep-07, 12:06 AM   #6
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The standard 220 minus your age formula for maximum HR will produce incorrect maximum HR for fit individuals. Using this formula for me, for example, my maximum HR would only be 168 bpm (220-52 years of age) but I believe my maximum HR is closer to 185 bpm based on HR monitor readings will running pedal to the metal.

So I will stick with your 195 bpm reading until you provide fresh new data that it is something else.

Have fun wearing your HR monitor and getting superfit.
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This will give you good number to work with for fat burning region.
But simply your max heart rate is what clock says when you give up and your never work at that pace for long.
The point when working at or very close to your max heart rate is that you can't do it for long. This would be interval training of some sort.

Also, I believe that staying in your "fat burning zone" is way overrated. Calories in vs calories out is what matters, and you simply burn more calories going at a higher intensity than at a lower one. Sure, you might burn a higher percentage of calories from fat at a lower intensity, but it's still less overall. Working in a mix of ranges is probably best for optimum fitness and fat burning.
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