Fahrenheit 9/11 - Page 4

**Gooseneck** · 29-Jun-04, 12:37 PM

I'd like to see some of you take a bite off of Bush's plate, and see how well you digest some of the rancid crap he has to deal with.

TriplNipl · 30-Jun-04, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Gooseneck

I'd like to see some of you take a bite off of Bush's plate, and see how well you digest some of the rancid crap he has to deal with.

When you use poor judgement and/or make bad decisions, you eventually have to deal with them.. Bush and Co have done it all to themselves...and at our expense I might ad. IF they would have worked with the UN in the BEGINNING, there would be alot less pressure on Bush. Now he's going to them anyway and we've already paid for the brunt of this war..gee, lucky us. What a friggin' bargain. Europe is laughing at us and now they will benefit with little investment. Now if that's not poor judgement in foreign policy, I don't know what is.

TriplNipl · 01-Jul-04, 11:10 AM

I just saw the movie last nite... I expected going in there that there would ALOT of unsupported information based on what I hear in the media, etc. The fact is everything in this movie has been backed up... You can't deny the footage.. You can't deny the things Bush has said on camera. There is alot of evidence in that movie that completely incriminates Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield.. I just DARE these non-believing republicans to challenge what Moore is putting out there... I DARE them to see the movie. NO ONE is doing this.. I repeat, NO ONE!! They just attack his character and call THAT an argument. They won't even talk about it.. WHY? IF Moore is so WRONG, then they should have NO PROBLEM disputing his informaton. Has out country become so ignorant that debate no longer exists? Perhaps it's more about protection of EGO...but that too requires a certain amount of ignorance.

LDgangsta · 01-Jul-04, 11:58 AM

I'm not making fun of Moore... I actually enjoyed Bowling for Columbine. I completely agreed with his theories on our media and everything (in how they try to scare us with wild percentages and ect) and everything about our country's "gun control".

Don't know if I'll see the movie big-screen or just wait until either 2-dollar theatre or renting it. All I know is I'm going to see Spider Man II today!!! Yeee!

The thing I was pondering was why everyone has such a bad opinion of Bush... I'm asking not out of complete ignorance, it's just because I don't watch TV.

TriplNipl · 01-Jul-04, 05:15 PM

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The thing I was pondering was why everyone has such a bad opinion of Bush... I'm asking not out of complete ignorance, it's just because I don't watch TV.

That's just it.... No one President has been so despised in this country and the world than Bush... That in itself has to say something. He's the only President that couldn't even take his presidential walk during inauguration because of protestors who were throwing EGGS at his Limo. Alot of people hate this man and his policies reflect his vindictiveness toward US citizens.

Karl · 02-Jul-04, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TriplNipl

That's just it.... No one President has been so despised in this country and the world than Bush... That in itself has to say something. He's the only President that couldn't even take his presidential walk during inauguration because of protestors who were throwing EGGS at his Limo. Alot of people hate this man and his policies reflect his vindictiveness toward US citizens.

And there is no other President other than FDR that has had to deal with an attack on American soil. And the left despises Bush not the entire country, if that were the case then Kerry would be winning in a landslide in the poles. And where is this vendictiveness you speak of? The economy is growing jobs are being created, that might be why it's not such a hot topic in the media anymore. Why does the rest of the world dislike Bush, gee I don't know maybe he screwed up the gravy train the UN had going with Saddam. Maybe they resent the fact that the US is the only super power.
I feel no need to see F9/11, why becasue I don't agree with Michael Moore. I can do my own research and find things out I don't need to see Moore's version of the way he thinks things are.
I have no illusion that war is a clean politically correct thing where no one gets hurt.

**cursor** · 03-Jul-04, 07:52 AM

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Why does the rest of the world dislike Bush

You're kidding ... right? :confused:

LDgangsta · 03-Jul-04, 12:19 PM

This is why I don't watch TV... I'd rather be doing something good with my time.

**cursor** · 03-Jul-04, 12:43 PM

Just like the internet, or any other single medium, there's good and there's bad.

bsenka · 05-Jul-04, 01:53 AM

Finally got to see it. What surprised me the most was how moderate the presentation was. After hearing the howling from Republicans, I was expecting something outrageous. Sure, Moore's humour and ascerbic commentary is unabashedly partisan, but the material covered was far from controversial.

Practically everything Moore presented in the film I already knew about. Most of it would be common knowledge to anyone who used credible international sources for their news, or read any books on the subject. When I say credible news, I mean outlets like CBC, BBC, Reuters, and to a lesser degree PBS.

In fact, there was only one real surprise in the whole movie for me, and that was how aggressively the Marines recruited inner city youth.

TriplNipl · 06-Jul-04, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl

I feel no need to see F9/11, why becasue I don't agree with Michael Moore. I can do my own research and find things out I don't need to see Moore's version of the way he thinks things are.
I have no illusion that war is a clean politically correct thing where no one gets hurt.

How can you not agree with Michael Moore, if you don't know what he's saying.? Are going with what someone else has said without seeing it and thinking for yourself? Are you allowing someone else to paint your interpretation of Moore?

The movie presents alot of facts that you absolutely and categorically cannot deny. It's not Moores' interpretation at all and it's not AT ALL just about the political incorrectness of war.. Some might want you to believe it. Goes much deeper than that. It's simply a presentation for you to make your own decision. Yeah, he put it together but the footage is real, the facts can be supported and many conservatives are afraid of what they might find out. They are afraid they may not be able to refute the evidence. IN fact they haven't been able to, so they result to calling him a loser. It would be a tremendous blow to their egos and they won't have that. The movie is turning alot of otherwise conservative people away from Bush.. It was #1 in the country last weekend.. #2, this past weekend. It did better than Return of the Jedi... It did better than any other movie that had played in less than 800 theatres. If you think the movie is so factually flawed, then if you were to see it, then you should have no problem refuting what has been presented.

Karl · 06-Jul-04, 06:50 PM

I guess you don't understand the meaning of "I don't agree with Moore" it means exactly that I think he is an opportunist who uses only the facts that support his personal view of things. So no I will not support Moore, I will not contribute one red cent to him. Is Moore somehow special that he is the only one that can get the information that is in his so called documentary? No I don't think so. You see the problem is the American people are to ****ing lazy to put the time and effort to investigate things and get the information for themselves and rely on a Svengali to get it for them. I am not one of those people.

Octagon · 06-Jul-04, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TriplNipl

The movie presents alot of facts that you absolutely and categorically cannot deny.

Really. What are some of these absolutely and categorically undeniable facts?

More to the point, what do these supposedly absolutely and categorically undeniable facts mean?

See, that's where the rubber meets the road. It's not enough to say the mob hated Kennedy and Kennedy wound up dead...a few more dots have to be connected before you have anything interesting let alone anything important or relevant.

**midgetcop** · 09-Jul-04, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl

I guess you don't understand the meaning of "I don't agree with Moore" it means exactly that I think he is an opportunist who uses only the facts that support his personal view of things. So no I will not support Moore, I will not contribute one red cent to him. Is Moore somehow special that he is the only one that can get the information that is in his so called documentary? No I don't think so. You see the problem is the American people are to ****ing lazy to put the time and effort to investigate things and get the information for themselves and rely on a Svengali to get it for them. I am not one of those people.

Karl, have you seen any of his movies?

And if not, how do you know that his an "opportunist who uses only the facts that support his personal view of things"? I mean, surely you don't want other people to make up your mind for you.

Karl · 09-Jul-04, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by midgetcop

Karl, have you seen any of his movies?

And if not, how do you know that his an "opportunist who uses only the facts that support his personal view of things"? I mean, surely you don't want other people to make up your mind for you.

I have seen BFC, didn't like it. He uses facts in a misleading way, cuts and rearranges things. Doesn't present the whole truth only the part of the fact that furthers his point.
So like I said I will not support Moore with one cent of my hard earned money. You want to more power to you.