Fight - Page 2

EliteLift · 13-Sep-07, 10:14 PM

Couture is not "all" about wrestling. He did after all out box Tim Sylvia at UFC 68, Witch I thought was trully amazing! UFC welterweight Matt Hughes on the other hand is all about the wrestling..

13-Sep-07, 10:26 PM

Mav if you stick with this training, it will be interesting to see how your current weight training changes or evolves. Something will have to give as there are not just enough hours in the day, particularly for those of us who are married.

Because if we don't watch it, we end up sleeping on the couch sooner or later. Been there and done it!

Getting the body hard (shins, elbows, hands) takes time. Learn how to make a good fist and start doing pushups on your knuckles.

**maverick** · 13-Sep-07, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EliteLift

Couture is not "all" about wrestling. He did after all out box Tim Sylvia at UFC 68, Witch I thought was trully amazing! UFC welterweight Matt Hughes on the other hand is all about the wrestling..

You know his recently released book is entitled "Wrestling for Fighting", right?

EliteLift · 13-Sep-07, 11:25 PM

Obviously i'm not saying he doesn't wrestle. I was mostly saying his striking is also very good, and that Matt Hughs is probably a better example of only wrestling during a fight.

Both great fighters though. Matt can just get a bit borring to watch somtimes.

Good luck with the martial arts maverik!

etothepii · 14-Sep-07, 07:53 AM

I have mixed feelings about wresting in MMA, actually. The very good wrestlers dominate their opponents, but they win by preventing their opponents from winning. They smother their guy for 15 minutes, and get the decision. Effective, I guess, but makes for a boring fight.

As those wrestlers frogress, though, they lear some stand up, some ground and pound, some submissions, they become the funnest fighters to watch.

Josh Koscheck is a good example of a boring yet dominating wrester who is becoming a more entertaining, well-rounded fighter (even though he recently lost.)

**maverick** · 14-Sep-07, 09:03 AM

Yeah, Kos can hit now, though he got dominated by st. pierre. In my opinion, a lot of the ground and pounders can be just as boring though. Heavy hands and talented submission artists make for the best fights. And I'm not talking arm bars, and bare naked and triangle chokes, I'm talking the guys who know the less frequently used submissions that can be done from the bottom position like kimuras, rolling into heel hooks and knee bars, omoplatas, and stuff

EliteLift · 15-Sep-07, 04:35 PM

Edit: Nevermind i will make a new thread for this thought..

**MAURER** · 15-Sep-07, 04:47 PM

i used to wrestle in high school and i have recently been doing some mixed martial arts with a friend of mine who loves submissions. i learned quickly that you need to learn submissions and submission defense even if you are a wrestler. because if you get a submission specialist on his back, you need to know what to do from there. working to a pin doesn't necessarily mean anything, as they can do various locks and chokes if you simply try to ground and pound. also, im currently learning aikido and i love it. however, i find that it, and many other martial arts work much better in self defense situations than in a cage fight.

**maverick** · 04-Oct-07, 11:31 AM

I am exhausted and have bruises up and down my right shin and foot. Next workout in 5 hours. Its all conditioning and basics now, no actual MMA stuff yet. I gotta tell you, I wish I hopped on the cross-fit/endurance training wagon when a lot of other DF'ers did. These conditioning workouts are a killer. We basically did non-stop circuits, no rest, for 45 minutes yesterday, its brutal.

tim_mcf · 04-Oct-07, 12:20 PM

Tell us about the circuits! What did you do?

**maverick** · 04-Oct-07, 12:43 PM

OK, we start with 10 minutes of non-stop jump rope and go right into 3 rounds of these 6 exercises:

- bodyweight squats on only your heels while holding a ceiling-suspended cable to keep you from falling backwards
- wall sits (final round included holding out a 8 pound medecine ball)
- jab, cross, hook on focus mits with partner
- jabs on double-end bag
- jab, cross, round kick on heavy bag (hence the bruises)
- stairwell sprints

Each exercise was sustained effort for 90 seconds, with 30 seconds til the next exercise. So all in all, 46 minutes of heaving for breath, working through muscle burn, and leaving pools of sweat throughout the gym.

I have to say, I REALLY enjoy working with partners who are both better and worse conditioned than me. I get to motivate and be motivated. Plus, there's no way I'd be pushing myself to the limit for that long without someone staring me down.

WESTY · 04-Oct-07, 04:54 PM

I get the exact same feeling maverick, when i am in group activities. Its an awesome feeling i feel way more energized when doing gym/sports with a mate.

**Gooseneck** · 04-Oct-07, 05:55 PM

I used to drip sweat everywhere from working so hard when I was training. Wearing a black GI doesnt help either.

**maverick** · 05-Oct-07, 12:54 PM

Here's last night's circuits, same intervals and number of rounds, different exercises:

- Circle laterally around 4 heavy bags in a cross pattern on the ground in a gorilla-like position, weight over your hands, not feet. This, quite unexpectedly, was by far the hardest conditioning exercise I've ever done.
- stairwell sprints
- medecine ball twists, seated, feet elevated & knees bent
- body weight squats on the overhead cable like above
- jabs on the double end bag
- jab, cross, round kick on heavy bag
- jab, cross, hook, cross on heavy bag

Both shins are quite bruised now. Made my weight training today seem like a breeze. OK, not a breeze, but far more tolerable than usual.

**maverick** · 09-Nov-07, 10:06 AM

OK, 6 weeks in, endurance is up, shins getting tougher (still need work), technique getting better, and pierini will be glad to hear that my "holds" (plank variations, squats, half pushup) are getting termendously better. I'm also a jump rope junkie now, but I guess that happens when you are jump roping 4-5 times a week for spans of 10+ minutes consecutively.

2 weeks from now I move out of the conditioning and fundamentals primer and into the actual MMA curriculum. I'm psyched. I can't wait to learn and be challenged, and also, I'm starting to outgrow my current partners in the conditioning class. I try to partner with someone new every class and I have a small amount of patience with people who can't follow directions. I'm not even talking about technique issues, I mean people flat out not listening. Oh well, I'll be the fish out of water in a few weeks.

And I still have to eat like a maniac to keep weight on. I guess the good thing is more frequent cheats and being very liberal with carbs. I have the metabolism and body type to handle them well, which makes me wonder why I wasted all that time with the protein/fat or protein/carb meals, and little to no carbs after X oclock, etc... Now I'm eating carbs 24/7, enjoying my meals more (less bloating from all protein and fat), and am as lean as ever. Protein still high and in every meal.

I used to say diet and exercise were 50/50 when it came to fitness goals. I'm starting to think more like Dan and am leaning more towards 75/25 in favor exercise, cause this MMA training is taking my fitness to a new level.

Oh and get this, I'm maintaining my strength in everything with 2 full body workouts a week (soemtimes only one) and my bench is actually going up! Weird.