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Old 12-Nov-04, 08:37 PM   #1
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help developing program for wrestling/martial arts


hi, im fairly new to lifting so id like some advice.

im 21 but just first started working with weights this past summer, so ive lifted for about 3 months. if any of you guys are familiar with doggcrapp, thats the program i did(yea i know, probably not the best for a beginner, but my friends all have been doing it for a while and just threw me in the mix). anyways, i wasnt that pathetically weak since ive been practicing submission wrestling for about 2years now, and i made some good gains. however, i wasnt totally happy with the reliance on machines and constantly training to failure(too taxing on my body to wrestle and train to failure every time). from wrestling and genetics i have a low bodyfat and have pretty decent muscle definition despite not lifting before. im ~152lbs, but my guess is that im that light mostly because my legs are like toothpicks, my upper body isnt that thin. to give you an idea of how pathetic they are, i could incline bench more than i could leg press at first.

as you can see, my main problem is that i have a severe case of chicken legs. so first order of business is to correct that. other than that, my main goal is to increase my functional strength for grappling, and beyond that of course put on a little muscle mass and look better at the beach. its not my intention to bulk, other than what will just be incidental from training, and i dont really care about having perfectly shaped biceps or whatever. so dont think of this as a hypertrophy program.

heres a rough sketch of a program im trying to develop for myself:

1A) weighted dips, one hand dumbbell snatch, standing barbell curl, deadlift

1B) incline dumbbell bench, dumbbell turkish get-up, skull crushers, romanian
deadlift

2A) weighted pullups(palms away), dumbbell bent press , t-bar rows , squats

2B) weighted chins(palms towards), dumbbell swings, Standing military press,
zercher squats

3A) ab work, seated calf raise, neck work, supermans

3B) ab work, standing calf raise, grip work, neck work

i will alternate on mon, wed, fri going 1A(mon), 2A, 1B, 2B(mon), 1A, 2A, 1B(mon), 2B....

3A) on tuesdays 3B) on saturdays

the ab work will be whatever i feel like doing that day(russian twists, weighted crunches, dragon flags, whatever), but one twisting motion and one crunching motion. grip work will be a random too, maybe work pinch grip, or wrist roller, something like that. for neck i have a harness to work my neck in all directions.

what i need help with is deciding a set/rep scheme, and figuring out a how to progress with weight(doggcrapp was easy in this sense since you just increased after every workout). im also not totally sure about rest periods and if doing that plan mwf will allow for enough recovery. the worst combo i can see would be squat on monday, deadlift wednesday, and zercher on friday. is that ok? how many days rest would be needed to separate very taxing lifts like that? ill be sleeping ~10 or more hrs a night, so that should help with recovery. but im just curious if 48hrs is enough rest in between squats and deadlifts.

in general, is there anything lacking, any lifts youd recommend taking out or adding?

any advice would be greatly appreciated. thanks.
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Old 15-Nov-04, 12:23 PM   #2
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Hello Chicken Legs, how long have you been subwrestling and where do you do it at? What gym and who do you train under? Im just curious because ive been training in mixed martial arts for about 6 months. We do a mixture of wrestling, kickboxing and brazilian jiu-jitsu.

Im not an expert on this by any means but ive asked my coach and some of the professional fighters i train with and this is what they recomend. Doing mainly primary lifts such as benchpress, military press, deadlift, powercleans, squats, ect heavy with each bodypart being worked out once a week. They recomend doing them for low reps and heavy weights but also say to mix in some days where you work on your explosiveness by doing lighter weights and higher reps, concentrating on going slowly through the eccentric contraction portion of the lift (for example, bringing the weight to your chest during a bench press) and exploding out on the concentric portion of the lift (for example, pushing the weight from your chest during a bench press). Im told this helps with your muscle endurance during grappling matches.

Hope this helps...
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Old 15-Nov-04, 04:08 PM   #3
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i started my training with marcos and david avellan down at the freestyle fighting academy in miami, fl. did a little training with carlson gracie last year during the school year and ill be starting back at his gym fairly soon(once im done with my law school applications). where do you train?

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Old 15-Nov-04, 04:38 PM   #4
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I train at Straight Blast Gym-Illinois with Paul Sharp. Been doing it for about 6 months and still getting my ass kicked. I had prior wrestling experience so my clinch and standup is good and my striking is decent but it's coming along. I still have trouble on the ground though...keep getting submitted . Im sure it will come along though. We have about 5 professional fighters that train with us so the training is pretty intense. A ton of sparring and full contact stuff with a lot of rolling thrown in. Its a lot of fun.
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Old 15-Nov-04, 04:55 PM   #5
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sbg has a good reputation, ive never trained there though. i like grappling the most, i just think its the most fun plus im better at it than striking.(plus i dont enjoy having bruised shins and headaches from being hit in the head)

stick with it, youll be tapping people before too long. focus on the basics like guard passing, escapes, and being able to transition from one form of top control to another. guard passing may not be as fun to learn as submissions, but its incredibly important. if you cant pass guard, you only have two options: 1) stall 2) tap.

learning how to conserve energy is important as well. whenever a new guy comes into class i just pull him into guard, let him spaz out like a maniac for a minute, and then after he's brought himself to the brink of passing out, i throw him in a triangle choke

youll notice progression in little bits. i remember the first time i was able to pass someone's guard, the first time i escaped from side control or mount, the first time i nailed a flower sweep, and finally the first time i tapped someone. and then i nearly **** myself with excitement the first time i tapped my bluebelt friend. lol, to this date ive only gotten him once since then.
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Hehe, yeah, i tended to "spaz out" a bit when im in someone's guard. I tryed to use my strength instead of technique and would get tapped regularly. It suckes but i learned a lot. I enjoy striking more then grappling, not sure why. I enjoy the feeling of getting a nice jab or cross in on someone .
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Old 10-Feb-05, 12:02 PM   #7
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I train at Straight Blast Gym-Illinois with Paul Sharp. Been doing it for about 6 months and still getting my ass kicked. I had prior wrestling experience so my clinch and standup is good and my striking is decent but it's coming along. I still have trouble on the ground though...keep getting submitted . Im sure it will come along though. We have about 5 professional fighters that train with us so the training is pretty intense. A ton of sparring and full contact stuff with a lot of rolling thrown in. Its a lot of fun.
Ah Crazy monkey! I train in sub fighting as well, in Manchester (England) and use the same stand up style. Very Solid indeed. Been at it about 3 months now (having done straight Karate for 10 years).

I ALWAYS get submitted on the ground - but I'm starting to "frustrate" the better guys in the club now cos I can sit for ages and just defend - next step is to work on the attacking part - it'll come.

With regards to "spazing" - just slow everything down and work the angles. If one doesn't work try another until you can close right down on them and just slide on past their guard (its VERY easy to say but is hard to do).

P.S Sorry for ressurecting an older thread.
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Old 16-Mar-05, 02:50 PM   #8
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I do MMA and I love this workout.

http://message.geoffthompson.com/cgi...9;t=000086;p=1

You should also consider skipping some rope which is great for your legs, foot work and balance.
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