Dead Lifts - Reps, Fequency

SOBEK1277 · 05-Mar-05, 03:05 PM

Hi everyone,

I looked at some past threads, but I can never get a clear idea on how to train dead lifts. Could some folks just post their routine in regards to them?

Do you do multiple reps for a given weight ?

Is it better to do singles and really rack up the weight ?

What else do you train on dead lift day, and how many times a week do you dead lift?

_ one other thing I train in a sort of cushy gym and the weight room is on the second floor - so I'm a little scared to drop big weights and make noise - so I've adopted a high rep low weight scheme - and I tap the weight to the floor and repeat -

the problem with this is my grip really fails towards the end and my form goes bad and I have to stop because of my grip rather than real muscle fatigue. If I can get better results using singles - it would probably be better - but I really want to know what approach is better.

My goals are to increase overall strength and size and build up my core.

Cort · 05-Mar-05, 04:35 PM

Depends where your weak point is and what you are going for. Personally I think if you are doing more than one rep, then you should allow the weight to settle before going back up. Touch and go relies partially on momentum, and you don't strengthen your lift off very much.

If your grip is holding you back, get some straps, or if it isn't that bad...try some chalk. You don't want to be messing your back up, if you have to break form...stop your set.

Vas85 · 05-Mar-05, 08:37 PM

What else do you train on dead lift day, and how many times a week do you dead lift?
Once a week.
I generally do Deadlifts as part of my Back routine, were i would hit it with Chinups, Pullups, DB Rows, Barbell Rows, Deadlifts (double overhand grip) and Shrugs.

and When i deadlift, i dont actually put the weight down to the floor tapping it, i just bring the bar just abit under my knee's and then go back up. I think if your going down its light pause and could add unnecessary tension, thats just what i think.

**Firehawk** · 05-Mar-05, 11:47 PM

That's not a deadlift you are doing Vas...

At least, not a conventional deadlift. Maybe a rack pull or partial deadlift, but not a regular deadlift. Big difference coming down to just under your knees, and setting the weight on the floor.

DaRkAnGel · 06-Mar-05, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Vas85

What else do you train on dead lift day, and how many times a week do you dead lift?
Once a week.
I generally do Deadlifts as part of my Back routine, were i would hit it with Chinups, Pullups, DB Rows, Barbell Rows, Deadlifts (double overhand grip) and Shrugs.

and When i deadlift, i dont actually put the weight down to the floor tapping it, i just bring the bar just abit under my knee's and then go back up. I think if your going down its light pause and could add unnecessary tension, thats just what i think.

Lol that deadlift is rediculous. I wouldn't recomend doing it liek that for any purpose. You are missing half of the tension to the lift and you are making your bottom point weak.

Vas85 · 06-Mar-05, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DaRkAnGel

Lol that deadlift is rediculous. I wouldn't recomend doing it liek that for any purpose. You are missing half of the tension to the lift and you are making your bottom point weak.

Might be Ridiculous for you, but honestly mate it does my job fine and its working my lowerback and upperback nicely. Whatever does it for you buddy

i dont like touching the bottom, and neither do i like the alternate grip, i know there are a lot of deadlifting fans in this forum, do as you please

and normally from the amoun that i go low im like probably 5cm off the ground.

Cort · 06-Mar-05, 04:53 AM

It is partially preference, but do you really feel that ignoring one of the hardest parts of the lift is helping you get the most out of it? That 5 cm and lack of a complete stop makes a huge difference.

Vas85 · 06-Mar-05, 03:40 PM

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It is partially preference, but do you really feel that ignoring one of the hardest parts of the lift is helping you get the most out of it? That 5 cm and lack of a complete stop makes a huge difference.

I Guess my next workout of Deadlifts i can try going down the whole way, but i just fear injuring my lower back, becuase the first time i tried deadlifts a while ago i just felt like something didnt go right, so i just didn't bother since and my lifts have been increasing, probably not asmuch as doing normal deadlifts but still, ill give them another shot.

**Firehawk** · 06-Mar-05, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vas85

I Guess my next workout of Deadlifts i can try going down the whole way, but i just fear injuring my lower back, becuase the first time i tried deadlifts a while ago i just felt like something didnt go right, so i just didn't bother since and my lifts have been increasing, probably not asmuch as doing normal deadlifts but still, ill give them another shot.

lol yeah, u prolly had too much weight on the bar ? You won't be able to do as much weight if you set it down as if you were to stop a little below your knees.

Hell, i can do alot more weight doing barbell curls if i dont go full ROM either, but is that better? Doubt it.

07-Mar-05, 05:10 AM

I like to keep an open mind on using partial reps. It is a valid training protocol and people can make great gains in size and strength using them. If partials are working for Vas then I say more power to him. He is finding what works for him.

From my own experience partials helped my chest gain size and strength. They may be unconventional but given the proper application they are a great addition to a workout.

luke.w · 07-Mar-05, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by IronMan

I like to keep an open mind on using partial reps. It is a valid training protocol and people can make great gains in size and strength using them. If partials are working for Vas then I say more power to him. He is finding what works for him.

From my own experience partials helped my chest gain size and strength. They may be unconventional but given the proper application they are a great addition to a workout.

I love the partials myself, I've experianced great core strength from them, I don't train them the way Vas does, but I'm here to defend the PARTIAL LIFT, Vas if you enjoy doing them that way fine, but do add some full ROM's from time to time so you don't develop any weakness.

**Firehawk** · 07-Mar-05, 10:14 AM

Yeah i agree they got their place, but doing them all the time and calling them a regular deadlift is inaccurate IMO.

Axion · 07-Mar-05, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by IronMan

I like to keep an open mind on using partial reps. It is a valid training protocol and people can make great gains in size and strength using them. If partials are working for Vas then I say more power to him. He is finding what works for him.

From my own experience partials helped my chest gain size and strength. They may be unconventional but given the proper application they are a great addition to a workout.

I agree that partial reps defitnly have their purpose...they still should never REPLACE full range movements.

07-Mar-05, 02:40 PM

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they still should never REPLACE full range movements.

There are a lot of body builders that don't use full range of motion on many exercises, preferring instead to keep tension on the muscle throughout the set. Some believe aids in growth.

Vas85 · 07-Mar-05, 03:40 PM

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I agree that partial reps defitnly have their purpose...they still should never REPLACE full range movements.

I guess guys the reason whyi had been doing partial's will come down to this little idea that i have developed....

when you bench, you start with your arms locked out, and then lower the weight and go back up, that is constant tension on the muscles and you lift up and down for the desired reps, thats what i see the mechanics of doing partials like, and the chest still grows like crazy.

But yea there would be good credit to be doing full Deadlifts and partials.