Deadlift advice

[Klinger]

Originally Posted by grambo

yeah i've seen a couple people do that. Its all about a firm base.

Another important aspect is the position you end up in with your feet in a certain type of footwear, or out of as the case may be. If I wore boots I'd have trouble sitting back during squats because of the heel height in them.

Right on. Since I started wearing an old pair of chuck taylors to squat and DL, a nagging pain in my left knee has disappeared. I think it was undue stress caused by athletic shoes that raised the heel just enough to F up my balance during both movements and throw off my form. The flatter your feet, the better, IMO.

[luke.w]

Originally Posted by grambo

As far as loading up 25's, it is a huge pain in the ass, and yes you do hog all the 25's...but...its for a good cause!

yeah, thats a lot of 25's.
I've heard of guys using a "snatch" grip on deads (wide grip) as this forces the lifter to get lower, I've never tried it before, but it sounds like it would help with deadlifting form also.

[grambo]

Originally Posted by luke.w

yeah, thats a lot of 25's.
I've heard of guys using a "snatch" grip on deads (wide grip) as this forces the lifter to get lower, I've never tried it before, but it sounds like it would help with deadlifting form also.

I've heard of that as well, never tried it. My main reason is, you have to sacrifice some weight in order to hold on to the bar.

[Gibson]

Great replies guys. Keep em comin. It's too bad I gotta bug you when I should be able to get advice from veterans at the gym. Too bad I'm one of like 4 ppl who actually deadlift.

[jukka]

HEY!!

Someone said that barefoot squatting and deadlifting has helped
him to rid a nagging pain in one knee, how long did it take to
get rid of the knee pain (my knees nag more than my mom),
and did you adjust your form or stance or any such thing when you
switched to barefooting?

I'm relearning the squat entirely, trying to emphasize
the sitting back thing, but the pain's still there.

JKn

[grambo]

Im not a specialist, but I've gone through different knee pains, whats yours?

[Klinger]

Originally Posted by jukka

HEY!!

Someone said that barefoot squatting and deadlifting has helped
him to rid a nagging pain in one knee, how long did it take to
get rid of the knee pain (my knees nag more than my mom),
and did you adjust your form or stance or any such thing when you
switched to barefooting?

I'm relearning the squat entirely, trying to emphasize
the sitting back thing, but the pain's still there.

JKn

When my knee ached, I switched to flat sneakers (chucks). I also fixed a form flaw. I was pushing through the balls of the feet instead of the heels. That is hell on the knees.

Definitely squat on a box if you're struggling with sitting back. It's the best thing I ever did to fix my form.

With deadlifts, my problem was I didn't start out low enough, so my hams were not doing their share of the work.

After fixing those two problems, it took about a month to shake the knee pain. It still aches a little, but not enough to signal a major problem.

[Firehawk]

Funny Klinger, i had the same 2 problems as you did with the same two exercises lol.

[Klinger]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

Funny Klinger, i had the same 2 problems as you did with the same two exercises lol.

Yeah, I think those are common mistakes. I see similar form problems in other lifters, but I seldom speak up unless history shows the person to be receptive to criticism. I find that most people don't want to be told they are doing something wrong. Personally, I like the feedback.

[gcs118]

Originally Posted by Klinger

I see similar form problems in other lifters, but I seldom speak up unless history shows the person to be receptive to criticism. I find that most people don't want to be told they are doing something wrong. Personally, I like the feedback.

Same way here. I rarely try to give other people a hand when they are doing something blatantly wrong, but I'll listen no matter what. Even if what they're saying is bogus, I'll listen and say thanks for their effort. If it's BS, I'll just be like they're dumb. If it's good, then I go along. You never know what kinda advice you're gonna get.

[Firehawk]

Most people don't want help man. It's like an insult to help someone, since everyone's an expert.

[jukka]

Originally Posted by grambo

Im not a specialist, but I've gone through different knee pains, whats yours?

I'm not sure how to describe it, but mostly it hurts when i squat down.
Not when actually squatting, oddly enough, but when I sit down on
a bus seat or something.
Or get up from a chair so that my weight is far back.
And my knees sort of creak most of the way up and down when I squat.
I think my problem stems at least partly from not driving through heels,
I used to do hack-machine squats and my heels actually got up in the air
when the reps got heavier.

Than you all for your help, I'll focus on fixing my squat and DL form
and won't add one pound in them untill I know I got the form down.
AND I'll switch to box squats, from what I've read here I've become convinced of their benefits.

A dude (only one!) at my gym does them, but he goes down way too
fast, and when hiss butt slams the bench,
his back bends so that it hurts me to just to watch.
I guess the "dangers" of box squat only materialise when you use form like that.
But almost any exercise can become dangerous if you do it badly enough.

Although I have to gulp down a generous helping of humble pie,
and cut nack on squat and DL weights, I actually am excited about this,
I get to learn something new and the knee pains will probably disappear! :