Frank talk about Max-OT

[Todd]

Originally Posted by Kyle C

You talk about ABC's why not maximize them to be more effective and efficient.

Kc

Again, Max OT does this. Guess you haven't tried it!

[Todd]

Originally Posted by Kyle C

Your meaning of 'taxing' is reffering to overload correct?
Kc

I referred to "taxing" as PowemanDL had referred to it, and only used the word from his context. That is all. Taxing does not mean sh!t to me. Taxing can be 100 reps with a 20 pound dumbbell, but that does nothing for efficient and effective muscle growth. My whole point is...hey, there are many good programs out there...many good routines, etc....but I find (I REPEAT)..I PERSONALLY find Max OT to be the MOST efficient and effective one out there. That is my personal experience and thoughts. That is my opinion, so hey, argue about it amongst yourselves all you guys want!

My 0.2 cents!

[Kyle C]

Originally Posted by Todd

Again, Max OT does this. Guess you haven't tried it!

I have no desire to try a program that does not apply 'optimal' overload.

Kc

[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by Todd

I referred to "taxing" as PowemanDL had referred to it, and only used the word from his context. That is all. Taxing does not mean sh!t to me. Taxing can be 100 reps with a 20 pound dumbbell, but that does nothing for efficient and effective muscle growth. My whole point is...hey, there are many good programs out there...many good routines, etc....but I find (I REPEAT)..I PERSONALLY find Max OT to be the MOST efficient and effective one out there. That is my personal experience and thoughts. That is my opinion, so hey, argue about it amongst yourselves all you guys want!

My 0.2 cents!

Im doing MAX OT too, and I agree with you completely Todd.

Granted, I am not experienced enough that I have tried a ton of different things, but I have tried a few and I know what my body likes, and its MAX OT thus far...I am making superb gains right now, and I am not even trying to bulk yet...I am cutting. I cannot WAIT until the fall to begin my bulking phase with this program.

[Tuna Fish]

A linear program to me is like driving a car in 1st gear all the time- You can do it... but it's all acceleration, and you beat the living crap out out the engine if you try to go any distance.

Periodization is like actually shifting the gears when required for a smooth cruise. You can drive the car as long as you like without stressing it, and you can go any speed you want. Much easier on the old "machine".

JMO only...

Tuna

[Amkey]

Originally Posted by CaV961

i don't plan to ever use any training approach but max-ot again. the only thing i have trouble with is keeping some workouts under 45 minutes. the actual set and rep schemes (6-9 sets, 4-6 reps to failure) as well as doing only compound movements seems to work well for me. now i can't picture myself not going as heavy as possible on every set. they explained why everything works (and why not to do supersets, dropsets, etc) in the program and everything they say makes sense.

prime example of max-ot working: jeff willet ( Also a prime example of bad tanning and I hope he uses a clean needle LOL .... )

[Todd]

[quote=Amkey]

Originally Posted by CaV961

i don't plan to ever use any training approach but max-ot again. the only thing i have trouble with is keeping some workouts under 45 minutes. the actual set and rep schemes (6-9 sets, 4-6 reps to failure) as well as doing only compound movements seems to work well for me. now i can't picture myself not going as heavy as possible on every set. they explained why everything works (and why not to do supersets, dropsets, etc) in the program and everything they say makes sense.

prime example of max-ot working: jeff willet ( Also a prime example of bad tanning and I hope he uses a clean needle LOL .... )

Funny how you need to believe just because Jeff Willet, Skip LaCour, Derick Farnsworth, and a bunch of others who use Max OT religiously (and have a championship physique), that they MUST be using "a needle" to aid their results. Pretty ignorant I have to say. There are many world class physiques out there that are just as big, shredded and well-conditioned as Skip's, Jeff's, etc and they are 100% natural as well.

[Todd]

Originally Posted by Tuna Fish

A linear program to me is like driving a car in 1st gear all the time- You can do it... but it's all acceleration, and you beat the living crap out out the engine if you try to go any distance.

Periodization is like actually shifting the gears when required for a smooth cruise. You can drive the car as long as you like without stressing it, and you can go any speed you want. Much easier on the old "machine".

JMO only...

Tuna

Tuna, but you also have to look at it this way....which way is more efficient and is going to get you from point A to point B?...assuming we are talking about muscle size gains here. Taking your example you stated above....

If you are constantly shifting gears...going from 1st to 2nd, and then back to 1st, and then to 2nd and then back to 1st (as you would in periodization, going from lifting heavier weights, then switching back to lighter weights), then you are going nowhere FOR SURE! Correct? You are simply going back and forth, and doing so on purpose, because that is what the program calls for.

As well, if you are "shifting when you want to", "without stressing it" and going any speed you want, then how are you ever going to force your muscles to adapt constantly in the quickest and most effective manner? You aren't...because you are "coasting along" and constantly downshifting, instead of applying the gas, and giving the "machine" what it needs to perform better. And this applies directly to giving your body the correct amount, timing and frequency of nutrients AND rest in order to actually allow you to shift out of whatever gear you are in. Max OT is all about "acceleration, you are 100% right! You just need to give your "machine" (body) the right tools (sleep, nutrition, rest, etc) to keep up with the added acceleration. See what I mean?

With Max OT, you lift your heavier weights using the associated principles outlined, then you make sure you follow a well thought out and effective nutritional and rest plan that allows you to get out of 1st gear, into 2nd gear and into 3rd gear, while NOT purposely shifting back to a lower gear, and having to AGAIN try to shift up a gear or two to where you previously were. That is creating more work for yourself and basically wasting time (at least from what I have experienced and think).

Yes, if you do not take in the required nutrients your body needs EVERY SINGLE DAY and REST PROPERLY to support the Max OT way of lifting, then yep, you WILL stop short in your tracks and plateau while using Max OT. That is why following the ENTIRE program is so critical. How many people on here can say that they've follow THE ENTIRE Max OT program (training principles, the mapped out routines they have online, the nutritional recommendations they provide you with to figure out, supplement properly (not necessarily with their supplements), rest accordingly to how they specify to in their program outline, implement Max OT cardio, and do everything to a "T"...each and every day for at least 6 months? I would love to see a honest and true response to that question!

Believe me, if you follow their programs and ALL the aspects associated with the Max OT methods for even 2 months straight, I GUARANTEE you will not be idleing in 1st gear...you will be in 6th gear with Nitrous pumpin in your system!

[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by Tuna Fish

A linear program to me is like driving a car in 1st gear all the time- You can do it... but it's all acceleration, and you beat the living crap out out the engine if you try to go any distance.

Periodization is like actually shifting the gears when required for a smooth cruise. You can drive the car as long as you like without stressing it, and you can go any speed you want. Much easier on the old "machine".

JMO only...

Tuna

But...my body is like a fast race car...

[PowerManDL]

You boys have some ****ed up ideas of periodization and of progressive loading.

If progressive loading really worked like that then everyone using it that's worked out for longer than 5 years should be putting up some staggeringly large numbers.

[Tuna Fish]

Hi Todd-

I'm not against Max OT or any other linear program at all. In fact, I think they're great if they fit into one's personal goal structure. If one is gaining using a linear program for bodybuilding they should continue until it no longer works "efficiently" or that person becomes burned out on it or for some reason does not desire to continue.

It's just that constantly striving to "raise the bar" (hehe, pun) without backing off in some way at some point (to allow full recuperation) leads to diminished results. I think we all understand this....

The Max OT program calls for a week off after 8 weeks to allow for full recuperation- if one does no workouts whatsoever during every 9th week in a year.... one ends up not working out for nearly six weeks (about a month and a half) in a year's time.

Periodized programs have lighter periods as an integral part of them, and there's no need to take any time off.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. One must recuperate from the heaviest weights, in a linear program it's gonna be *time off*, in a periodized program it's *lighter periods*....

I'm not here to bash you or your workout choices. If it works for you, you should continue it.

As I stated at the end of of my post- Just My Opinion only.


Firehawk-

Rock on, you bad-ass nitrous burnin' dragster!!!

Tuna

[Kyle C]

Tood, dont attempt to shoot down periodization when you have no freakin clue what it is.

Periodization isnt a single program, its an organization of ones training to effectivly increase performance or goals.

Again, when periodizing your training who said you have to train with light weight?

Kc

[Todd]

Tuna - Hey buddy, I totally agree....yep, with Max OT you take that 1 week off after about 9 weeks of straight training, and with periodization you train with lighter weights/higher reps, etc., so yes, both do allow for some "down time".

Originally Posted by Kyle C

Tood, dont attempt to shoot down periodization when you have no freakin clue what it is.

Periodization isnt a single program, its an organization of ones training to effectivly increase performance or goals.

Again, when periodizing your training who said you have to train with light weight?Kc

Kc - I not only know what periodization is, I have given a fair try to various forms of it throughout the years. I thereafter stumbled upon Max OT and once having given it a fair try, have been happier with the results I get from this style of training.

Referring to your above comment "Again, when periodizing your training who said you have to train with light weight?".... I said "lighter weight, not light weight (reread my earlier post!). Most periodization programs I have seen or used involve some sort of cycling off of heavier weights to using lighter weights, higher reps, added volume, etc.. at various points throught a periodization program. Am I correct?

I am not shooting down periodization, I simply feel that Max OT is MORE efficient than it....that is all. That is my personal preference, so I don't really care that you have a problem with it or choose to argue with the fact that I personally like Max OT better. :

[Kyle C]

Some, but not the vast majority of the programs i suggest.

Judging from your points and post i still dont see how you know what periodization is. If you dont understand it effectivly you will miss apply it, therefor not get optimal results from it. Another word of advice, dont use so called cookie cutter periodized programs that are 'maped out' on the table for you. study the principles, construct the program to fit your individual needs.

Kc

[Todd]

Originally Posted by PowerManDL

You boys have some ****ed up ideas of periodization and of progressive loading.

If progressive loading really worked like that then everyone using it that's worked out for longer than 5 years should be putting up some staggeringly large numbers.

Take a look at Jeff Willet's or Skip LaCour's lifting numbers, most of their numbers are pretty impressive....not sure how long they've been using Max OT, but I know since I began it almost a year ago, I have dramatically improved on all my lifts.