Lower Lat Development

DarkLord · 11-Jul-07, 07:00 AM

There's nothing worse than having a great upper back and poor lower lat development which illudes the appearance of a good long back tie-in like Franco had. What exercise are great for lower lat development please?

**Gooseneck** · 11-Jul-07, 10:24 AM

I believe the lat-pulldowns with a closegrip seated row attachment hits this particular area very good. The more of an angle you have when doing this, the lower and more centered the focus becomes.

F_Mac · 11-Jul-07, 10:56 AM

DarkLord,

Please don't take this the wrong way, it is not intended to be a negative comment, but i'm curious as to your stats, and what kind of training you do.

The reason I ask is it seems you ask a lot of questions about relatively small body parts (rear delts, forearms, lower lats) and have a lot of concerns about isolating them and stimulating them etc......

I have no idea what kind of physique you have but unless you are a reall big, muscular guy who is just trying to fine tune his physique (i.e. a guy like Todd) then you don't need to worry about small things like this. Just concentrate on getting stronger over time and you will get bigger. The body itself grows as a whole, and while some people may have a premonition for bigger legs, or bigger arms, for the most part, once you get a decent amount of muscle on you you will look fairly well proportioned and at that point you can decide what you want to "fine tune"

Just my $0.02.

Dan C · 11-Jul-07, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by F-Mac

DarkLord,

Please don't take this the wrong way, it is not intended to be a negative comment, but i'm curious as to your stats, and what kind of training you do.

The reason I ask is it seems you ask a lot of questions about relatively small body parts (rear delts, forearms, lower lats) and have a lot of concerns about isolating them and stimulating them etc......

I have no idea what kind of physique you have but unless you are a reall big, muscular guy who is just trying to fine tune his physique (i.e. a guy like Todd) then you don't need to worry about small things like this. Just concentrate on getting stronger over time and you will get bigger. The body itself grows as a whole, and while some people may have a premonition for bigger legs, or bigger arms, for the most part, once you get a decent amount of muscle on you you will look fairly well proportioned and at that point you can decide what you want to "fine tune"

Just my $0.02.

I agree, and was thinking the exact same thing.

It seems like your back in general is what you are having the hardest time with. And I agree, the muscles of the back are tough to stimulate from a bodybuilding perspective. Give this routine a try and stop sweating the small stuff... Dr. Darden's H.I.T.

DarkLord · 12-Jul-07, 03:48 AM

You are both right to ask, and I will say this because I have a very detailed visualiztion on how my body should look in areas that are lagging. Unlike you lucky folks in the U.S with all the better gyms, I have only a crappy gym in terms that the guy who runs it doesn't really have a clue or an interest in the place. This is why I ask these questions and it may seem a little trivial but it feels important for me to know. I suppose one real answer is that I know my physique won't really grow that much bigger being ectomorph and now I'd like to add to the weak areas. The best alternative is to post a photo but I'd feel to embarrassed.

Dan C · 12-Jul-07, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkLord

I know my physique won't really grow that much bigger being ectomorph

That's stinking thinking.

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and now I'd like to add to the weak areas.

Your weak area is overall size and attention to unimportant details... "lower lat development" ... "long back tie-in" ...

C'mon!

Work brutally hard on the big exercises (i.e. deadlifts, rows & chins), stop making excuses (i.e. crappy gyms) and stop worrying about what Franco's back looked like.

**.V.** · 12-Jul-07, 09:59 AM

Dammit, I so hate to totally agree 100% with Dan on something. Not even one tiny little argument. I'm so dissappointed. But I find myself doing that more and more sometimes and I don't get to poke at him anymore. (until the next raw vs equipped debate...maybe I'll start one for some excitement

)

He's right man, work on general size and then the small points you are worried about will come into line with your goals. In reality, the only folks who truly need to worry about the rear of the lateral aspect of the anterior gastrocicaldeltomboidezius are the very advanced bodybuilders who have massive size already. Us little guys...it really doesn't matter that much how we shape things. Becuase if we don't got it, we can't shape it.

Build the size first then start shaping things to bring up the parts that lag.

Just build the mass and you will be way ahead of 99.9999999% of those who are in the gym day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year and never look any different. Then, when that happens, worry about the small things.

Oh and about crappy gyms. I'm nothing much to look at. I am small and weak. But considering where I started at 300lbs of absolute lard I think I've done pretty well with only a bar, some plates, a couple of dumbells, and a rafter on my front porch to do pullups with. Oh yeah, and I've got some chain to use here and there too. You really don't need a fancy gym to get results. Just hit the iron, hit the food, and do enough cardio to keep yourself healthy and you'll do just fine.

Dan C · 12-Jul-07, 11:36 AM

Haha!

12-Jul-07, 07:31 PM

Dark, if you are an ecto then you need to read (and take to heart) Beyond Brawn. Its a great tool for adding size.

DarkLord · 13-Jul-07, 03:18 AM

The guy who runs my gym once said to me, " do you do direct work for your forearms"? To which I replied " pretty much much, yes". I think he felt as you people do that I concentrate on too many smaller muscle groups rather than the big ones. Actually my muscles have always been stubborn and so for areas like my forearms need extra stimulation to make them respond. But I've been fooling myself and overlooked the fact whilst bulking up, you don't need to worry about lower lats and things like that as it will only be necessary when I come to conditioning my physique. Still I asked the lower lat question as it looks like I've only developed half my back lol.

13-Jul-07, 04:32 AM

It may very well be that your lats are inserted higher on your back than other people. As I recall pics from past Olympia competitions, Dareem Charles is one of those people. Sometimes you just gotta play the hand you are dealt, show up in the gym, and work hard toward your goals.

Dan C · 13-Jul-07, 09:58 AM

The "lower lats" is not a muscle group like the "forearms" are.

When you row, chin, deadlift and do pullovers, how many more movements are left to stimulate the muscles of the back?

**Gooseneck** · 13-Jul-07, 10:01 AM

Guys, give the dude a break. Points have been conveyed, lets chill out a bit.

Dan C · 13-Jul-07, 10:04 AM

**LiftGirl** · 13-Jul-07, 12:17 PM

I don't think Dan and Andy mean to sound harsh; they are just being frank.

I'll say what I've said so many times before. You never see powerlifters with underdeveloped anything on their bodies, even though they don't do much (any) isolation work or concentration on small muscles.

Keep working hard DarkLord, you will see results.