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[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by Dins_PR

Okay, I appreciate your last post quite a lot. I'll say this, I have trained my legs substantially in the past, I lifted heavy and gained much size, but it wasn't condusive to my running, when I ran I could feel that my thighs were too big, they were working too hard while I ran. It was as if I was trying to muscle my way through the run instead of flowing. This is the reason I never train to left heavy weights with my legs. The only time I do squats is with little to no weight and very high reps.

The reason I train heavy with my upper body is that I can maintain high lifting weights and still hold a fast run time. I agree that Luke and Dan are in incredible shape but when you train to run you have to sacrifice somewhere and it is in the size of your legs.

Next time I work legs (next saturday) I'll do high rep squats and see how they feel. Okay, 24 is on, everyone should watch it, it's the best thing since sliced bread, and Jack Bauer is the new Chuck Norris, you heard it here first.

Well finally some kind of valid reasoning behind your decisions. I can respect that.

Might i make a suggestion though? If you train for 1-3 reps iwith squats you will get quite stronger but you will gain minimal size. If you train higher reps you might gain size which would make you heavier. It's fine to do either, i mean, yeah you might get bigger thighs but if you train for quickness with the squat, and yes, the squat can be used to train for speed and quickness, then it might be worth it. They'll definitely improve your starting ability (jump) off the line. Seconds matter.

Just some suggestions dude.

PS a 20 repper squat will tell you just how good your conditioning is .

[Maxgain]

Ah 20 rep squats the one sure way to make me cry!!!!

[Vas85]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

I do get angry with people that post this nonsense, it shouldn't even be allowed to be posted it's so ridiculous. All it does is bring the IQ of the board down.

Firehawk, i believe the whole "angryness about people posting nonsense" thats why everyone is here to learn... if people don't make mistakes / or post nonsense in your opinion (who is to say whats nonsense neways...?what may be to you, is not to someone else), then there will be no point for your discussion, besides everyone agreeing, and That just makes a BORING discussion board.

[Vas85]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

Might i make a suggestion though? If you train for 1-3 reps iwith squats you will get quite stronger but you will gain minimal size. If you train higher reps you might gain size which would make you heavier. It's fine to do either, i mean, yeah you might get bigger thighs but if you train for quickness with the squat, and yes, the squat can be used to train for speed and quickness, then it might be worth it. They'll definitely improve your starting ability (jump) off the line. Seconds matter.

Just some suggestions dude.

PS a 20 repper squat will tell you just how good your conditioning is .

Umm Firehawk, i would like to know the reasoning behind your 1-3 reps with squats.. it just doesn't make sense.. if people lift heavy for 4-6reps, to gain supposed "mass" Max-OT style, and then if you're doign 1-3reps means you can go heavier, i dont get how magically doing 1 extra rep, making it 4 will mean you get very good gains, and not strength. And then others train 6-8reps and 8-10rep ranges and some even 10-12rep ranges.

Isn't 1-3 guesswork, like each body may be different.

I just want to know your reasoning behind this 1-3rep idea for squats. As whenever i train with squats i'm always after building maximum mass, what rep ranges do you then advise on?

[threenorns]

training with 1 to 3 reps trains your muscles to cut loose in one explosive movement and that's it. not a whole lot of ATP required, so not much size is gained comparatively.

it's not "one extra rep" - with MaxOT, you *start* with a weight that only allows four reps, then you keep working it until you can do six before you put the weight up and start again with 4 reps.

with the powerlifting 1 to 3 reps, that means 1 rep sets, 2 rep sets, or 3 rep sets. eg, my max sets for bench, dead, and squat are 3 reps. every so often, i have to do several sets of singles.

[rangers97]

i think the whole size/strength rep range thing is getting a bit out of hand. Just simpify the whole thing and the answers might come easier...if you train for maxes and lift a really heavy weight once time, you are obviously strong, so if someone has a 450 pound squat 1RM, do you think they will have small legs? While there is truth to the gaining strength without size debate, just think about it for a second, if you are squatting 450, you can't be small. And if you can do this, you can probably rep squat in the mid 300s easily...do you think that is the work of someone who would be small?

I personally would rather have strong as steel tendons and ligaments and bones as opposed to inflated muscles, because it is more functional, UNLESS you are specifically a bodybuilder who plans to compete or are just an extremely vain person, lol

[luke.w]

Originally Posted by rangers97

i think the whole size/strength rep range thing is getting a bit out of hand. Just simpify the whole thing and the answers might come easier...if you train for maxes and lift a really heavy weight once time, you are obviously strong, so if someone has a 450 pound squat 1RM, do you think they will have small legs? While there is truth to the gaining strength without size debate, just think about it for a second, if you are squatting 450, you can't be small. And if you can do this, you can probably rep squat in the mid 300s easily...do you think that is the work of someone who would be small?

I personally would rather have strong as steel tendons and ligaments and bones as opposed to inflated muscles, because it is more functional, UNLESS you are specifically a bodybuilder who plans to compete or are just an extremely vain person, lol

I think alot of people need to go on some adventures and check out differant weightrooms........me and Dan try to go wherever we can to train (within 1-3hours) with strong people some dudes who train for strength might not look too big (like a bb'er) but when you see them in person they got some freeky features.

Rangers my philosishies are the same, I look at it as focas on the inside first and the outside will come with time........as the years are going by, I'm finding this out for sure.

[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by Vas85

Umm Firehawk, i would like to know the reasoning behind your 1-3 reps with squats.. it just doesn't make sense.. if people lift heavy for 4-6reps, to gain supposed "mass" Max-OT style, and then if you're doign 1-3reps means you can go heavier, i dont get how magically doing 1 extra rep, making it 4 will mean you get very good gains, and not strength. And then others train 6-8reps and 8-10rep ranges and some even 10-12rep ranges.

Isn't 1-3 guesswork, like each body may be different.

I just want to know your reasoning behind this 1-3rep idea for squats. As whenever i train with squats i'm always after building maximum mass, what rep ranges do you then advise on?

It's a time under tension thang. You'll still get bigger with the low reps but it'll happen slower.

[Todd]

Originally Posted by Vas85

Umm Firehawk, i would like to know the reasoning behind your 1-3 reps with squats.. it just doesn't make sense.. if people lift heavy for 4-6reps, to gain supposed "mass" Max-OT style, and then if you're doign 1-3reps means you can go heavier, i dont get how magically doing 1 extra rep, making it 4 will mean you get very good gains, and not strength. And then others train 6-8reps and 8-10rep ranges and some even 10-12rep ranges.

Isn't 1-3 guesswork, like each body may be different.

I just want to know your reasoning behind this 1-3rep idea for squats. As whenever i train with squats i'm always after building maximum mass, what rep ranges do you then advise on?

To add to Firehawk's response to your above post, I'd like to say that doing the one extra rep isn't going to to anything magical, but the higher your reps are (to a certain point), the more the emphasis shifts to mostly hypertrophy, rather than mostly strength. 4-6 reps is a good range for gaining both strength and size. Look at Ronnie Coleman....he trains almost exclusively in the 12 rep range on almost every exercise....but he also does low rep training...or at least pyramids down to low reps on his most basic exercises like squats and dead lifts.

There are also many bodybuilders who train exclusively in a high rep range who are huge but are not necessarily brutally strong like your typical powerlifter would be.

The best thing to do is find a rep range that seems to work best for you. Try both extremes first...like first try 12-15 reps for everything and see what happens over the course of a few months, then switch and go to a low rep range like 3-6 or something and see what happens in a couple of months. At least then you'll be able to assess your progress and look back on which method gave you the best results. Then, go from there and maybe even try the middle of the road (like 6-8 reps or 8-10 reps) and then evaluate that method.

[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by Vas85

Firehawk, i believe the whole "angryness about people posting nonsense" thats why everyone is here to learn... if people don't make mistakes / or post nonsense in your opinion (who is to say whats nonsense neways...?what may be to you, is not to someone else), then there will be no point for your discussion, besides everyone agreeing, and That just makes a BORING discussion board.

There's a difference between someone debating how many calories to take in (which is a heavily debated topic around the globe) and whether or not a squat is one of the best exercises on the planet.

If you want to waste time debating the obvious then that's your business. Frankly i think it makes the board look stupid. But that's just my opinion.

Maybe ill just stay out of the discussions that occur like this from now on since it just urks the hell out of me .

[MostMuscle]

I thought this thread was about the MTV show and it morphed into a debate on the physiological effects of rep schemes ..........wow.

[threenorns]

evolution is a funny thing....

[LiftGirl]

Originally Posted by Khaine

ahahahahahh best insult on DF in the new year...

Why doesn't 300lbs hurt my shoulders...? My boy's girl won't do squats cus her shoulders hurt, but she's about a buck oh five and skinny as hell, so I can see that... The rest of us should be able to rest the bar comfortably (it's all relative) on our traps...

I'm 5'6" and 125. I'm fine as long as I use the pad for the bar. I'm squatting about 85 lbs now. Tell her to "woman up!" as I'm sure Firehawk would say

[Khaine]

Hah... First I gotta convince her to venture into the free weight area of the gym, away from the safety of machines and half-assed work... It's hard work working girls...

[threenorns]

i don't use the pad and the bar doesn't hurt my shoulders, either. there's this nifty little "bone hook" i have that fits the bar perfectly.

of course, there's also all this comfie built-in padding....