MTV's true life "I'm on steroids"

[rbuchman]

*Edit by MostMuscle*
If you have not seen this Mtv True Life show, here are the download links.

Part One: http://rapidshare.de/files/10950056/...t_One.wmv.html
Part Two: http://rapidshare.de/files/10951007/...t_Two.wmv.html

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I just got done watching this and wanted to vent.

The gay guy and the fighter had zero business doing steroids, niether one had really even tried natural body building. In my opinion Steroids should only be an option IF, you've been training for years and are already at the top of the local food chain AND you lively hood depends on your body.

The fitness model was decently big but not that strong at all, at 225 he was about 70% as strong as me (200lbs) on juice and weak as a kitten off them. I've always seen this as a tell tale sign of a juicer, someone who is way bigger than they are strong. Anyone else noticed this?

But what really aggrivated me is that he showed up at the fitness magazine shoot and openly admitted he was on steroids and it wasn't a big deal and the makeup artist seemed used to it. If I buy a fitness magazine I don't want to see juicers b/c training and eating on juice is entirely differernt that natural.

[Firehawk]

I got a kick out of the fact the guy went from doing those whatever he was doing on the machine with 4 plates down to 2. And he acted surprised. lol.

Yeah that show was funny.

[rbuchman]

Originally Posted by Firehawk

I got a kick out of the fact the guy went from doing those whatever he was doing on the machine with 4 plates down to 2. And he acted surprised. lol.

Yeah that show was funny.

That's my point 4 plates on that machine is good but nothing special, probably the equivelent of a real bench press of 250. He also acts like a badass when he does the whole stack on the fly machine, I've done that same machine with 3 extra 45's chained to it.

My question is a looking way stronger than you are a tell tale sign of steroids?

[threenorns]

no - that's a telltale sign of bodybuilding, lol. bodybuilders work for hypertrophy, not strength, which is why you see someone with gigantic quads who can't squat beans (markus ruhl's famous dippy-squat vid).

on the other hand, i am forced to admit that those guys are *typical* steroid ABusers, not examples of responsible steroid users. they're taking it for vanity and ego, not for the right reasons. they're all obsessed - the model is in love with himself, the dweeb has a critical down on his self-esteem, and the MMA wannabe just has issues - i mean, c'mon: he's willing to put steroid abuse over his relationship with someone as gorgeous as his fiancee!?? that's just not a healthy sign.

the problem is, ppl are going to watch this and all they'll see is those guys got some mild results. it would've been nice if they'd balanced that with REAL steroid users and show what they go through to get maximum results. a good number of viewers would decide that the whole thing just isn't worth the hassle. as it is, all they see is these idiots jabbing themselves and that's it - no medical supervision, no dietary micromanagement, no nothing.

[Cort]

Originally Posted by rbuchman

My question is a looking way stronger than you are a tell tale sign of steroids?

I think it has more to do with training style, like threenorns suggested. A lot of lifters are of the mind that more reps beats more weight, and won't lift anything that they can't move 8+ times. That isn't one of the most efficient ways to improve strength.

[Vas85]

Originally Posted by threenorns

no - that's a telltale sign of bodybuilding, lol. bodybuilders work for hypertrophy, not strength, which is why you see someone with gigantic quads who can't squat beans (markus ruhl's famous dippy-squat vid).

I just got to Defend Markus Rhul for a second :P.

Yes maybe hte video proved that to you, and i also agree Squats are the greatest quad routine you can do, but if you have seen him on the Leg Press, 1500lb? or something, and the freaky size he has.
There could be other factors that decide how much he can squat, the pressure on his back, from the bar, if he has had knee problems, or lowe rback problems, there are a multitude of reasons. Not quickly dismissable as "can't squat beans" i dont believe Squats are the be all end all for quads, although they do give me a killer workout. There are lots of ways of achieving size/strength.

You can now slap me 3n . I'll keep quiet.

[threenorns]

i saw the video - the factor is that his form is lousy: head facing forward, shoulders rounded, had trouble keeping an arch, and went nowhere near parallel. if he's got back or knee problems, he shouldn't be squatting.

he can leg press 1500 pounds - so can someone else i know: he does it for 20 to 50 reps and his quads aren't anywhere near as big as ruhl's.

[Firehawk]

I know quite a few powerlifters that can leg press 1500 for alot of reps and then can squat 800 ass to grass.

[Firehawk]

Originally Posted by rbuchman

That's my point 4 plates on that machine is good but nothing special, probably the equivelent of a real bench press of 250. He also acts like a badass when he does the whole stack on the fly machine, I've done that same machine with 3 extra 45's chained to it.

My question is a looking way stronger than you are a tell tale sign of steroids?

You know, that dude wasn't even that big either. He was like 6'2 220. Not huge. He had some decent arms, that's bout all though. Yeah it cracked me up when he's like "im gonna do the whole stack". Gimme a break. I didnt see him use a barbell once.

People have no clue.

And the gay guy, if he wanted to look BETTER he shoulda cut up. He just looked 'average' to me.

[threenorns]

if he wanted to look better, he'd've been better investing in a paper bag and a course in personality.

[Mr Ian]

that ass hat of a body builder had no business doing steriods either. He had the basics down. He eat right, worked out, and slept good. Yet his legs and back looked like they were untouched. His legs looked that of a boys, and his back had no bulk/definition what so ever. His bi's looked great becuase thats all he ever seemed to do, his chest looked great as well for someone who seems to do alot of machine work and little free weights. Lets not even get started on the gay guy, who pumped herself full of booze, and smoking. He bragged that the roids gave him one inch of bulk around the arms, yet if he was really serious he could gain that much plus some in little time. He is the type that would become injured to do taking his "internet roids", at least the body builder was semi safe about it.
Just my opinion.......

[rbuchman]

Originally Posted by Mr Ian

He bragged that the roids gave him one inch of bulk around the arms, yet if he was really serious he could gain that much plus some in little time.

Yeah from like 13" to 14" which could be done with a proper routine in a few months but he just had to have it in a few weeks.

My next question (that has been asked time and time before here with always inconclusive answers) is how do you train for size? I've alway's trained 3 sets/move 2 moves/body part 6-9 reps/set and am way stronger than I look. I'd like to look at least as strong as I am since I'm not a competative powerlifter (too tall) and have more than enough strength for daily life.

[DaRkAnGel]

Originally Posted by threenorns

no - that's a telltale sign of bodybuilding, lol. bodybuilders work for hypertrophy, not strength, which is why you see someone with gigantic quads who can't squat beans (markus ruhl's famous dippy-squat vid).

on the other hand, i am forced to admit that those guys are *typical* steroid ABusers, not examples of responsible steroid users. they're taking it for vanity and ego, not for the right reasons. they're all obsessed - the model is in love with himself, the dweeb has a critical down on his self-esteem, and the MMA wannabe just has issues - i mean, c'mon: he's willing to put steroid abuse over his relationship with someone as gorgeous as his fiancee!?? that's just not a healthy sign.

the problem is, ppl are going to watch this and all they'll see is those guys got some mild results. it would've been nice if they'd balanced that with REAL steroid users and show what they go through to get maximum results. a good number of viewers would decide that the whole thing just isn't worth the hassle. as it is, all they see is these idiots jabbing themselves and that's it - no medical supervision, no dietary micromanagement, no nothing.

I think you are a little anti-bb. Believe me plenty of bodybuilders squat a ****load. Have you ever heard of tom platz?

[Firehawk]

Too Tall???!?!?!

How tall are you? 9 feet? Wtf is that about? I'm 6'3, theres other guys that are taller than me that compete. Yeah you're at a disadvantage but come on.

[Aikawa]

I thought it was pretty careless that when he strained his bicep he went to that "juice doctor" or whatever he was to get a quick fix. Is this type of thing common in the BB industry?