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Old 22-Mar-07, 05:30 AM   #1
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My apologies to everyone here


Hi all.
The last time I posted here was around October, 2005.
I probably argued for the umpteenth time that Heavy Duty is the (only) way to go, and in the process, putting down anyone, who dared suggest that going all-ou on every single workout might NOT be a good thing.

Heck, HD had given me the best growth spurt I'd ever had.
Which had happened YEARS AGO, but still, it had been the only traininig method to produce some serious results for me, so it had to be the holy grail, right?
Wrong.

Finally, even I had to admit that HD only works for a short amount of time before it burns you out.
The CNS drain with HD is just humongous,
for a mere mortal like me.

So, my sincere apologies for being an HD jedi, and I hope not too many followed my training "advices".

To finally realize and admit to HD's disadvantages, I had burnt myself out with HD for about, oh, say a thousand times.
Well, at least my ability to take punches has grown immensely, from banging my head against the wall so much for so long...

Anyway, I tried HST, wasn't quite my thing but I learned valuable lessons from it.

Then I tried other types of full body workouts, and after experimenting and generally p***ing about, and studying my training logs to see what had worked for me (until the burn-out caused by HD)
I noticed that the best gains seemed to come with a 3-way split, and also that 12 (working) sets for a workout seemed to be a limit which I should not cross too much.

Add to the fact that even after I learned to avoid failure sets, I still seemed to stagnate after about 3 weeks on any given rep scheme, I was finally able to come up with something that so far seems to be working, and has some sensibility behind it.

These days, I workout 4 times a week (2 on, 1 off, 2 on, 2 off), and my workouts look like this:

Legs: squats, leg presses, leg curls, and a calf raise for a total of 12 sets.

Upper body pull + abs: 2 variations of pulldowns, cable rows, shrugs, bb biceps curls for a total of 13 sets. For abs: two sets of pelvic tilts and 2 sets of crunches. That amounts to 17 sets, but crunches aren't that draining after a back/biceps workout, so I can handle it

Upper body push: incline bench, db bench, db side lateral raises, and triceps pushdown for a total of 12 sets.

My rep scheme is 12-8-4, and then back to 12.
I cycle the intensity, HST style though I fluctuarte the weight somewhat less than is done with HST.
I start each rep cadence with a weight that is light enough so that after a couple of weight increases I get to my previous best weight for x reps, and then try to surpass it.

After which I move to the next rep cadence.

The exercise selection was based on
a) what I know my body can handle (e.g. chest and shoulder presses together are too much for my front delts)
b) knowing what exercises work for me (e.g. bench hurts my shoulders, incline and db bench don't)
c) the limitations of the gym that's in the office basement

So now my training philosophy is as follows:
- Try to work your body more than once a week (even 1 and one third is cool and suits me better than one workout per muscle group per week)
- Fluctuate your workout intensity to avoid CNS drain.
- Use different rep schemes (after fidning out what works for you, 15 reps was waa-hay too much for me, and while 4 reps is doable, 3 reps is not lifting anymore for me , it's just trying to avoid getting crushed by the weight

Now if only I could get my diet in order...
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Old 22-Mar-07, 10:45 AM   #2
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Why apologise? We do what we do because it's working for us at the time. If we didn't believe in it what would be the point.

HD, DC, Max OT, HST, 5x5...they all work as do the endless variety of other things. The key is to find what your own body responds best to and stick with it as long as it keeps doing so.

Share this with others, understand that none of us have the definitive answer for training, and encourage others to do the same.

Good luck in your future training endeavors and I hope you'll stick around and continue to post. The more involvement and discussion, the better.
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Old 22-Mar-07, 11:33 AM   #3
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Thanks for coming back and taking the time to write about what you've been up to. Sorry that your original plans came to a crashing halt, but you get that some times.

Your new plan sounds like it has some decent safeguards against burnout built into it.

Glad you are back. You should consider starting a journal and getting on fitday.com so we can see what you mean about getting your diet in order.
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Old 23-Mar-07, 09:18 AM   #4
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Thanks, but I feel I was so damn...dumb.
And arrogant too, and there's no excuse for that.
So time to be humble

All I basically was lacking in my training was variety and fluctuation of intensity, but MAN did lacking those two things hurt the progress.

Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure there was a lack of patience in there, and HD seemed to deliver the quick results. Although it hadn't for years

And I also think that having "learned" most of what you "know" from Flex and other publications meant for natural athletes, I'd learned mostly wrong ideas from the get go.

It's a damn good thing these forums are out and about: kids these days when they start working out, have much more applicable-to-a-natural-trainer info available.

Hence a beginner is much more likely to adopt a sound routine and make progress from the start, and continue making progress after the initial growth spurt.

Good job guys :
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So keep on training, learn from your mistakes, learn from our mistakes, keep posting, sharing, and taking part. Most importantly - have some fun.

That's why I love this place. I can keep notes on what I do, when I mess up, I learn from it. Others can make suggestions - some which help, some don't.
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Some things you pick up after some years of study, failures and success.
Nothing works forever
Nonprogressive rep/weight schemes don't work either
What worked last year can work again when you've been away from it a while
Advanced builders need dual-phase progression, planned overreaching, or such programs in order to grow more
There is no Holy Grail, Golden Program, or perfect workout
You must match your program to your goals
Sometimes little guys know more than the hunks
Usually hunks know more than little guys
Little guys don't eat enough
There are no hardgainers
The women's workout is the same as the man's; just lighter
The best supplements are iron and sleep
Science is not finished with us.
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jukka, I missed this thread. Welcome back! Good to see you bro and glad you kept looking for other ways to lift.
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