My Weight Gain Concern!

[threenorns]

yes, increasing your protein will stress your kidneys - your kidneys will then do what everything else in your body does when stressed: they'll adapt.

by the way, you'd KNOW if you had kidney disease. it's not something that just suddenly pops up.

[.V.]

OK, I've heard the 30-40g thing before too. I believe that was referring to 30-40g per serving. Any more than that at one feeding is likely going to go to waste.

When I started reducing my carbs, increasing protein and fat, my doc warned me not to go over 80g per day based on my BMI at the time. I did that for a while, but as I got stronger and could lift more, to continue to grow stronger instead of weaker I had to increase my protein intake. I'm up to close to 300g/day when bulking 200g/day while cutting.

The doc says this is OK because of the increased LBM and the need to feed it.

Most docs that I talk to feel that 80-100g/day is sufficient, not excessive. Whoever is telling you that 30g/day is enough is causing you to shortchange your muscle growth.

Another edit: If you have liver disease - I'm talking about chirrosis, late Hep C - something like that. then the 30-40g per day might be appropriate. The only reason I know this is because one doc that I'm friends with is a gastroenterologist (the ones that take care of you while you are dying of liver disease). And this is what he explained to me.

[DarkLord]

Well, I might increase a bit, but I am extremely confused and on the verge of blowing a chip.

[threenorns]

ROFL

just trust us: it's 30 - 40 grams ***per serving*** but you need a lot more than that per day. look at how much of your body is made of protein - basically everything that's not water, fat, hair, or bone.

take it up to 200 grams per day to start - just see what happens over the next four weeks.

[DarkLord]

I'm sure that you are right but the Atkins diet was a high protein diet and was proven to be bad but it wasn't involving bodybuilding. I think it's when a high protein MINUS carbohydrates is bad as we know because you are not filling your self up properly. No hard feelings hey.

[threenorns]

no, you can't cut carbs out completely, definitely not. if you do, then your body starts burning protein for energy and then what's the point?

the atkins diet was not bad because it was high protein, but because it had such an emphasis on high-saturated-fat foods like steak with the fat, cheesecake, butter, etc.

but a diet high in lean proteins and low in carbs has proven time and again to be effective for cutting and bulking at the same time.

[DarkLord]

Well, in the end I suppose we're all going to snuff it of something hey?
Not too mention that protein can come from all sorts of sources it doesn't have to be just meats or eggs etc. A good source is " Quorn" ever heard of that?:

[threenorns]

are you talking about "quinoa"?

[DarkLord]

I don't know if you have out there in Canada or the US nut it's definately Quorn. If you do a google search about it you might find out.

[threenorns]

Quorn is the trademark of a fungus-based food product, sold (largely in Europe) as a meat substitute. It is marketed at the health-conscious, and to vegetarians. Some Quorn products contain ingredients derived from battery farmed eggs.

sounds... er... tasty.

[.V.]

Originally Posted by threenorns

the atkins diet was not bad because it was high protein, but because it had such an emphasis on high-saturated-fat foods like steak with the fat, cheesecake, butter, etc.
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Actually, people who do Atkins along with exercise do even better that I did (with my Keto plan that is similar). (I do more carbs than the Atkins people do because of my spikes). Even the ones that don't exercise still get their cholesterol, triglycerides, and blood sugar to improve. In fact, after bulking, for the first week, I do the same as Atkins induction to get past the carb cravings.

It was never proven to be bad, just attacked constantly because it doesn't fit with the mainstream.

[threenorns]

there was at least one lawsuit against atkins because the guy developed heart disease after two years being on it - cholesterol caused something like 98% occlusion.

[.V.]

And Atkins caused it - in spite of improving the cholesterol of about everyone else that does it?

[threenorns]

it's all dependent on the individual, obviously. some ppl are just predisposed to high cholesterol - their bodies can't metabolize it efficiently. other ppl have perfect lipid levels in spite of eating the most atrocious diet. most ppl are in the middle.

basically, the safest road is middle of the course: low carbs, high LEAN protein.

[getaway]

no body is the same =]