real life practicality of squats and deadlifts

[luke.w]

nice mav. way to get lower on your last reps!!

I believe you got more out of going lower and missing that rep than if you were to halfass it. Now you got a good gauge for progress if you do them again.

[Dan C]

Originally Posted by rangers97

Yep, as Mav said, I bailed out on rep 6 of the set, since I knew it wasn't going to happen.

To tell you the truth, I really have no desire to attempt it ever again.

Is this part of your "I'd rather not squat or deadlift" mentality?

You would have to actually attempt it, to say you have no desire to attempt it again.

[rangers97]

Originally Posted by Dan C

Is this part of your "I'd rather not squat or deadlift" mentality?

You would have to actually attempt it, to say you have no desire to attempt it again.

I know the written word can be misconstrued, but you really do seem to rub people the wrong way sometimes with that you write...

[.V.]

I'd say a failed attempt that ended at 6 is still an attempt. Kind of like my benching attempt to get 185 after my workout. Just because it took 10 minutes to wiggle out from under the bar doesn't mean I didn't try to press it.

And I'm sure Dan doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't do everything exactly his way is a total idiot who is too lazy to be in a gym. It just seems that way sometimes. I know that's not what he really means.

[luke.w]

Originally Posted by a_welch503

I'd say a failed attempt that ended at 6 is still an attempt. Kind of like my benching attempt to get 185 after my workout. Just because it took 10 minutes to wiggle out from under the bar doesn't mean I didn't try to press it.

A failed attempt is not like a "quit" attempt, I don't suggest to keep pushing if weight and form are off, but to call a 6rep an attempt for a 20repper? it's not even in the ballpark.

this is an exercise forum where questions are being asked about gaining "large muscular size" doing this type of stuff is part of the job, if you have no desire to train hard exercises then get into something else. I see a good question being asked by Dan.

[.V.]

Like I said, "I'm sure that's not what he means". But that's how it comes across. If I see I'm not going to get a rep when squatting or deadlifting - I'll quit. I don't need an excuse - I'm simply unwilling to cripple myself to give myself a few extra "cool points" by getting it.

If the man's back hurts - then it hurts. Nothing you or I or Dan can say will change that. Sure, as he gets stronger, perhaps drops to a lighter weight and works his way back up it'll probably hurt less. Form will improve. But if you see you are going to hurt yourself - quitting is the smart thing to do.

[maverick]

I don't think they are dinging him for giving up due to his back. That would be stupid. Anyone who yells at you for ignoring a potential injury is an idiot anyway. I think what they are saying is that you simply can't call it a 20 repper attempt. Its like saying you are gonna atempt a marathon, but your leg starts to hurt after a mile so you stop. Would you call that a marathon attempt?

[Klinger]

My suggestion would be this: If it was obvious after 6 reps that it was a no go, take a rest, drop the weight, then try again. Maybe your first 20-repper is with 175 instead of something sexy in the 200s or 300s. No worries.

I should add that no one is questioning ranger's toughness. We're just trying to rally him away from any sense of defeatism he might get just because he can't yet comfortably push the weight he wants to push.

[.V.]

Originally Posted by maverick

Would you call that a marathon attempt?

Depends on how bad it hurts . Yeah for a cramp no. For splints, no. A pulled hamstring - yes. Same thing - if you see you are going to get hurt - stopping is the smart thing to do. And I would call it an attempt. Perhaps not the best planned one - too much weight. But still an attempt.

[rangers97]

Originally Posted by luke.w

A failed attempt is not like a "quit" attempt, I don't suggest to keep pushing if weight and form are off, but to call a 6rep an attempt for a 20repper? it's not even in the ballpark.

this is an exercise forum where questions are being asked about gaining "large muscular size" doing this type of stuff is part of the job, if you have no desire to train hard exercises then get into something else. I see a good question being asked by Dan.

no desire to train hard exercises? large muscular size? Dude I don't think I have any problems with "large muscular size", and if that is what I am after, I think I have it covered. I've watched your videos, both you and Dan, and while your strength feats are impressive, and I will be the first to admit that, I think as far as "large muscular size" goes, I have you both beat.

So before you go saying that I should get into something else, find out all the facts first.

[rangers97]

forget it guys, it doesn't matter....I said in this thread that I would attempt to try 20 rep squats to see what it was about. I started my warmups, then put the 225 I said I would on the bar and realized by about the 4th rep it would be a bad idea to push on, so I stopped at 6.

Fine it isn't an attempt at 20 reps. I could care less. It's not one of my goals. That's the problem with these boards...while they are an amazing source of info and opinions, it's the opinions of people that cause problems.

[rangers97]

Originally Posted by Klinger

My suggestion would be this: If it was obvious after 6 reps that it was a no go, take a rest, drop the weight, then try again. Maybe your first 20-repper is with 175 instead of something sexy in the 200s or 300s. No worries.

I should add that no one is questioning ranger's toughness. We're just trying to rally him away from any sense of defeatism he might get just because he can't yet comfortably push the weight he wants to push.

I appreciate you comments Klinger, but I really don't feel any defeatism whatsoever. So what? I am a 31 year old trainer, who only began training legs seriously about 2 years ago after training upper body for like 12 years. I am totally fine with the numbers that I can squat or deadlift, and I know if I stay at it they will improve. My upper body numbers are some of the best on this board from what I can tell, so there's no shame here. My lower body numbers will catch up--so I'm fine

[MAURER]

yeah don't worry its not a competition. you don't have to do 20 rep squats in order to make good gains so if you don't like doing them stick to a more traditional rep scheme and achieve your strength/size gains that way. to say that the way you train is a poor reflection upon your character would be ridiculous.

[luke.w]

Originally Posted by rangers97

no desire to train hard exercises? large muscular size? Dude I don't think I have any problems with "large muscular size", and if that is what I am after, I think I have it covered. I've watched your videos, both you and Dan, and while your strength feats are impressive, and I will be the first to admit that, I think as far as "large muscular size" goes, I have you both beat.

So before you go saying that I should get into something else, find out all the facts first.

hey, your the one making the threads,and asking questions not me, so if you got everything covered good for you, and keep going!

please don't count your chickens before they've hacthed, you may just very well be missing some facts yourself?

heres a fact (you said yourself) you don't like to squat or deadlift, you really don't even "want" to do them, okay, I even said there are other exercises to build strength and size in the lower-body, some of them are more menatlly and pysically challeneging than squatting and deadlifting, BUT you don't have to spend time really working on form, but they are super-hard, if you don't "want" to do any of them, then simpliy do something else (machines ect.).
why ask and disscuss if you don't "want" to try or experiment?????

[rangers97]

Originally Posted by luke.w

hey, your the one making the threads,and asking questions not me, so if you got everything covered good for you, and keep going!

please don't count your chickens before they've hacthed, you may just very well be missing some facts yourself?

heres a fact (you said yourself) you don't like to squat or deadlift, you really don't even "want" to do them, okay, I even said there are other exercises to build strength and size in the lower-body, some of them are more menatlly and pysically challeneging than squatting and deadlifting, BUT you don't have to spend time really working on form, but they are super-hard, if you don't "want" to do any of them, then simpliy do something else (machines ect.).
why ask and disscuss if you don't "want" to try or experiment?????

I asked a simple question on whether squats or deadlifts would be better to do in a weekly routine if only one could be done. Sure I don't like either of them, but I am resigned to doing them, it is something that I have learned.

I come here to ask questions, and a lot of you said it might be a form issue on my squats. Fine, thank you, and I will work on it and correct it, but then somehow this thread became a challenge to my desire to train because I did not follow through on something, that admittedly is hard, but in reality I have no interest in doing.

With few exceptions, most of us on here are not ever going to compete in bodybuilding shows, or compete in powerlifting competitions, etc., so don't turn this into a competition...I see a lot of things on here where people seemingly think they are better than others because they do this or that, when in reality, just working out at all in any form on a regular basis is already better than probably 3/4 of the general population, so because some of us aren't perhaps "hardcore" enough for others, doesn't mean that we should be questioned in our methods....

I like my results. Do you like yours? That is all that matters. We are here to help, not be negative on here