Squat vs Deadlift weight

Karl · 02-Apr-04, 11:08 AM

I have noticed that it seems most can deadlift more than they can squat, usually around a 100lbs diff.

Me on the other hand my squat and deadlift are about identicle in weight.

Symzie · 02-Apr-04, 11:12 AM

Me too, they're about the same. I read that a good target was to able to squat 2 X bodyweight and to be able to deadlift 2.5 X bodyweight but I know some people who have beaten that target

luke.w · 02-Apr-04, 11:33 AM

I would have to say that you should be able to squat more than deadlift when done correct. the squat is more of a natural lift. I notice though that more people have a higher deadlift than squat. As for me I'm uncomfortable when doing heavy deads because of the bar being in front of me,donig heavy squats, or heavy holds on the sides, I use more legs and hips than low back. I don't know my maxes in either lift.

**Firehawk** · 02-Apr-04, 12:32 PM

Id have to disagree. The squat is mainly legs. The deadlift hits just about everything. It takes legs/back/arms/shoulders/abs to lift the dead weight. So you should be able to lift more than squats IMO.

My squat and deadlift are Fairly close but my deadlift is definitely starting to pull away significantly.

Streax · 02-Apr-04, 12:36 PM

Deadlift in a balanced athlete should almost always be higher than squat.

Iain · 02-Apr-04, 12:36 PM

I find deadlifts a far more natural movement.

**Todd** · 02-Apr-04, 02:08 PM

Sure you don't mean EASIER movement???

I think by rights one's squat SHOULD be higher than their dead lift, but I think the problem lies with squats being slightly more demanding. This, I think makes it still a better exercise overall.

NateDogg · 02-Apr-04, 02:14 PM

Using a powerlifting style the lifts are nearly identical. The discerning factor is where the bar is located during the lift. That is also what makes the world record squat higher than the world record deadlift. When you deadlift you have to be able to grip the weight in your hands. There is no such problem in squatting. That is the main reason for the difference in elite lifters.

Iain · 02-Apr-04, 02:41 PM

I don't know Todd, could be. Deadlift I find to be a movement that replicates any lifting I had done prior to weight lifting - heavy boxes etc. To me personally having the weight higher up and on my back makes the lift feel less 'natural'. Only been squatting (off and on due to injury) for a year so the movement may get to be more natural.

Presently my deadlift is higher, really going to work on the squats though and try and get them closer.

luke.w · 02-Apr-04, 03:35 PM

Iain, what you said about the heavy boxes, unless you were lifting
200+lbsboxes then it is differant because when I lift atlas stones for strongman, when I lift a 250lbs stone its not close to a 250lbs dead, and when I lift them I use a Wide stance and some of the weight is between my legs simailar to a squat only my back is rounded. One way I train for stones is doing squats starting from the bottom, when I'm in the gym.

**Firehawk** · 02-Apr-04, 04:17 PM

I dont think squats are more demanding at all. I think deadlifts are to be honest. At least, that is how i feel when done. I am very tired and breathing good after both of them, but I am more drained from deadlifts than I am from squats.

Iain · 02-Apr-04, 04:42 PM

What I mean Luke is that the bend down and lift off the floor just feels more 'right' to me. It's just a personal thing I guess as no-one else seems to agree with me.

abarlament · 02-Apr-04, 05:39 PM

For me, the DL has a shorter ROM than the squat. I squat "narrow" stanced and all the way down, not a powerlifting squat.

**MAURER** · 02-Apr-04, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Firehawk

I dont think squats are more demanding at all. I think deadlifts are to be honest. At least, that is how i feel when done. I am very tired and breathing good after both of them, but I am more drained from deadlifts than I am from squats.

there is nothing more demanding than a nice, deep, heavy squat that you can barely get up. no questions asked IMO.

Kyle C · 02-Apr-04, 06:09 PM

For most people there squat will be higher, well for competitive, amature powerlifters, and olympic lifters (if they do dls in the first place).

I on the other hand have a 525 sq and i pulled 560 today. Im push/pull so squatting is not something i put most focus on. Im also not a believer in "squat to make your dead better and vice versa"

Kc