Squats and Deadlifts in The Same Program?

[Firehawk]

What do you have against bodybuilders? Not everyone wants to be able to lift 1000 lbs on their deadlift kid. People have different goals. You show a lack of professionalism since you dont seem to understand that.

[grambo]

Originally Posted by 2Hot2Trot

But this is only for a strength training program. If your a bodybuilder, deadlift would be on "back" day

Firstly, you're in a "General Bodybuilding" forum, wtf do you expect?


Secondly performing those lifts on different days is NOT a b-builder thing to do. Although a standard westside program has you do deads, and sqats together on a dynamic effort day, its with 50-60% of the weight used for your max day(where either squats or deads are done, not both).

Another simple program for strength training is to break up the big 3. BENCH/DEADS/SQUATS. You do not train these together if you're looking for strength overall. You'd do a PUSH/PULL/LEGS routine, or a variation.

If you've been doing deads, squats on the same day, whatever you're numbers are. You're holding yourself back from serious gains, because you simply arent training optimally.

[Kyle C]

You can train them effectivly on the same day but you will need to understand how to vary the loading accordingly. An example would be the korte 3x3 program (bp/dl/sq) 3x's a wk.

The fact is, 2hot Isnt doing anything but chasing his tail. His advice isnt bad, but its def. not anything to write a book about nor is it suited for an advanced lifter.

Kc

[2Hot2Trot]

grambo,

I believe I said to train them on the same day during the first half of a training cycle. The second half you would train them once a week on separate days since the weights would be getting much heavier.

Kyle,

I'm just following the leader.

As for being suited for an advanced lifter.........That's why my program works so well. I can tailor it to a beginner, intermediate or advanced lifter. Each program loads differently and the %'s are different.

I can also vary the force and/or velocity for athletes for their specific sport. Where as a baseball pitcher would need to train with high velocity movements, a shot putter would need to train with movements requiring much force. Etc......

[Kyle C]

Tell me your not applying this to athletes?

Now you are dumb.

Kc

[2Hot2Trot]

Originally Posted by Kyle C

Tell me your not applying this to athletes?

Now you are dumb.

Kc

Whoaaaaa! Now your being mean!

I didn't say EVERYONE "squats and deadlifts on the same day". The periodization of weight , sets and reps applies to all aspects of training whether it be for a pwerlifter or a pitcher.

Now you are just being silly. Keep it coming.

Guys, I've got to intercede here - the name calling has got to stop. Have a debate because that is what the forums are for. But please refrain from calling each other "girls", "dumb", "talking out your ass", etc. That sort of stuff detracts from all that can be learned from good, clean sharing of ideas.

[2Hot2Trot]

Point taken.

And by the way, an increase of 1.5mph for a pitcher in 12 weeks ain't too shabby.

[monsta]

hmmm, best I add my point of view..
Squats primarily target the legs, Deadlifts primarily target the back. BUT, there is a lot of overlap on the muscles used. That is why I do deadlifts on back day, and I have the greatest amount of time seperating leg and back days. I would not do them both at 100% on the same day, not only is impractical but there would be risk of injury.

[2Hot2Trot]

I would never do them at 100% on the same day either.

[Kyle C]

Originally Posted by 2Hot2Trot

Whoaaaaa! Now your being mean!

I didn't say EVERYONE "squats and deadlifts on the same day". The periodization of weight , sets and reps applies to all aspects of training whether it be for a pwerlifter or a pitcher.

Now you are just being silly. Keep it coming.

You are incorrect.

First off you DONT load a thrower like you would a powerlifters training, you load them similar to an olympic lifting approach.

You dont train a pitcher like you will a powerlifter either.

You first dont know how to train a powerlifter, now you dont know how to train an athlete. You dont focus primarly on maximal strength when training an athlete!

Kc

[2Hot2Trot]

Well, I guess you haven't seen my training program for a pitcher have you? Or a shot putter for that matter. Or a powerlifter for that matter. Football player, basketball player, sprinter etc..................

You think I increased a pitchers fastball by increasing his benchpress? Tisk, tisk.

100% success rate in increasing strength, vertical leap, 40, 100, force, velocity.

[Kyle C]

lol.. you have serious issues. I still dont believe you have a clue what your talking about.

Kc

[2Hot2Trot]

It doesn't bother me the least.