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Old 14-Dec-05, 01:55 PM   #16
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What he's saying is, if for instance you do your shoulder workout on Monday, try doing deadlifts on Tuesday and the heavy weight hanging from your arms will help work out any soreness from the previous day.
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Old 14-Dec-05, 02:44 PM   #17
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I'm saying that doing these "shoulder" exercises week after week and this "socalled" good form,...... may not be good, using only the shoulders to do these exercises week in/week out hurts the joint.

I steer clear from this type of training, I use other muscles to move the weight, only from time to time I'll use this "socalled" good form.

I never do laterials, but at one time I was doing laterial "holds" I'd take two bells and use other muscles to help get them out to the sides and just hold them sometimes walk while doing them this keeps the jiont strong and prevents the wear and tear in them, I do the same with overhead lifts, I've increased my abilty to muscle weights out to the sides more easier now, without even doing it much, this also builds the back muscles.
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Old 15-Dec-05, 09:41 AM   #18
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Is "good" form on a "bad" exercise still good?

You were using what, 20lbs an arm? I've taken 250 from the ground to overhead with questionable form, and not injured my shoulder. From a powercage, I've locked out much more than that, to the point of almost collapsing, yet no shoulder injuries. And you've hurt yourself (even after warming up and using good form) with weights I'm assuming come with the option of pink or chrome plating. I'm not trying to bust your chops, just illustrate my point:

THE BODY IS NOT INTENDED TO MOVE AGAINST PROGRESSIVE RESISTANCE WHILE ISOLATING A MUSCLE!

*** I'm defining "bad" as: inferior, unnatural and on the downside of the risk/benefit ratio.
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Old 18-Dec-05, 09:06 AM   #19
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My shoulder feels absolutely fine now and only took two or three days to recover. I perform lateral raises lately where instead of bringing your arms to touching point you lower them down to your waist then up again and keep going. It's a burn but I love it. With the bent over lateral raises now I use the 10 Lb dumbells or 15 Lbs so it's not to heavy. As you say it's meant to be performed light.
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Old 19-Dec-05, 08:29 AM   #20
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Your body will naturally position itself for better leverages (i.e. incorporate more muscles) more readily than it will strain against an object.

If you really think those 10lb lateral raises are doing you good, who am I to tell you otherwise? Best of luck to you.
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