Strong as bull or ripped to shreds - Page 6

**threenorns** · 13-Sep-05, 10:53 AM

**Firehawk** · 13-Sep-05, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rangers97

well neither am I so join the club, in fact most of us probably can't stay under 10% on a bulk, that's just the way it is.

Hows this for your antithesis of what you're going through....I used to be a skinny little nothing until one summer when I was 24. Over the course of that summer I gained 40 pounds, I went from 145 to 185, but wasn't working out back then, I was just kind of glad that I wasn't a stick figure anymore, lol. But since then, I don't think I have ever been below the same 12-15% BF I am now. So basically, I went from probably 5 or 7% to 15% over the course of a couple of months, and honestly I dont know what happened other than getting older, lol. But what I wouldnt give to have my body from back then, with my workout knowledge I have now, I'll bet you I could easliy have been a solid 165lbs with 5% bodyfat year round...

So it's a struggle for most of us is what I am getting at, not many of us are blessed with that ability, and even though I had it, I lost it, so those of you that have it now, count your blessings, and hope you don't lose it one summer like i did, lol

Oh yes, i wish i had the problem of being 7% one day and increasing to a horrid looking 15%

**Firehawk** · 13-Sep-05, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rangers97

you're too much., lol--

ok so right now i maintain "normal" bodyfat levels. but who's to say this isn't from all the time I spend busting my butt in the gym? maybe if i didn't work out, things would be different...maybe with my current eating habits and no working out, my 15% BF goes to 20%? who knows, but i don't plan on finding out either, lol

The people we really need to hate are the ones like my brother who is 27 years old, 6'1" and weighs about 150 lbs soaking wet...doesn't lift anything other than his automatic sander he uses for work and his food. Let's see, he eats bacon, egg and cheese sandwiches regularly for breakfast, mcdonalds or taco bell every day for lunch and after eating a full dinner will have a bag of potato chips and dip as a going to bed snack...

Fool doesn't work out and doesn't gain a pound, it is absolutely amazing...in fact, i would venture to say if he didn't eat all that crap, he would LOSE weight.....

that's the guy you gotta hate, not me

Yeah that's the other extreme to the problem I have, which i mentioned earlier

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**Todd** · 13-Sep-05, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by maverick

Didn't Lee Priest (5'4") bulk to like 270 lbs. in the off season?

Yes, Lee Priest is known for getting to like 270 or more in the offseason with lots of fat...the guy "lets himself go" during the offseason, but he does so by choice, cuz he likes being "fat and happy"...that is his attitude...he likes being fat and being able to eat whatever he wants, as much as he wants. So realize tho, that he does this by choice, not because his body puts on the fat uncontrollably or anything like that. If he wanted to, he could very easily stay "in shape" year round....like a lot of elite competitive bodybuilders do.

**Todd** · 13-Sep-05, 02:05 PM

Infact, here is a pic of Lee Priest in the offseason.... If he can get ripped each and every year from a condition like this, then hey, anyone can....so lets stop all the excuses. All Lee has is more knowledge on how to eat right, train right, etc... He has experience and knowledge...but really, anyone can do it. He goes from being fat to ripped in about 10 weeks for his contests. So, if he can do that every year, then ANYONE can go from fat to at least a half-lean state in several month's time.

Here is that pic http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...hmentid=218719

Another http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...0&postcount=12

And yet another http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...achmentid=1670

AND NOW, what Lee looks like SHREDDED ---> http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...achmentid=1671

**threenorns** · 13-Sep-05, 02:09 PM

i'm sorry, but that yoyo-ing up and down CAN'T be good for him.

**Todd** · 13-Sep-05, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by threenorns

well, firehawk's not wrong - there ARE body types that are predisposed to gaining fat just like there are body types predisposed to gaining muscle or predisposed to not gaining either without a struggle. hence "endomorph", "mesomorph", and "ectomorph".

if one is endomorph or endo-something else, fat will always be an issue. the body types are even predisposed to being attracted to different foods: mesos tend to crave protein, endos crave fat, ectos crave carbs.

This is false! Yes, some people's body (metabolism) may be predisposed to gaining fat, or on the reverse side, being skinny as hell, but that can be changed!

One's body type can be changed with proper eating, training and lifestyle. You have to learn how to alter your metabolism...because that is what it all comes down to. Anyone can speed up or slow down their metabolism, and this is key to making a switch over to different body types. Through proper, and consistent hard training and clean eating, you can alter your body composition, as well as your overall metabolism...and this is when your body will begin to take on characteristics of different body types (endo, meso, or ectomorphic).

And being attracted to different foods is something that comes from how you eat to begin with....again tho, this can be changed, so that your body craves clean healthy foods.....so to say this is something that can never be changed is wrong...it can all be changed. Hell, I know if I go off my clean eating diet for 3 months, I will begin to crave, want and eat junk food. Right now I crave clean foods, because I forced my body to eat them initially.... and after a while of eating clean, your body begins to run more efficiently, and it therefore requires and craves those clean foods, making the thought of junkfoods non-existent! It all comes down to YOU! Nuff said.

**Todd** · 13-Sep-05, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by threenorns

i'm sorry, but that yoyo-ing up and down CAN'T be good for him.

I don't think he cares..... In several of his interviews, people have asked him why eats so much in the offseason and gets so fat.....he says it's because he thinks he is living life to the fullest...he doesn't want the restrictions of having to watch what he eats year round...he does enough of that during pre-contest...so he lives without restrictions...he eats and he is happy, that is what he states. And he doesn't care what others think about his condition, cuz he knows he can get ripped within 2 1/2 months time. He is a very different, but down to earth character..ha ha.

eljeffe · 13-Sep-05, 02:24 PM

I may be the only one but I think I am both for my size, I am definitly stronger than most and I am for sure ripped like a brick **** house, it all comes down to building quality solid muscle.

**Todd** · 13-Sep-05, 02:27 PM

Here is a post from Lee Priest himself....

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=205

**.V.** · 13-Sep-05, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd

Here is that pic http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...hmentid=218719

Another http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...0&postcount=12

And yet another http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...achmentid=1670

AND NOW, what Lee looks like SHREDDED ---> http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...achmentid=1671

So HE'S the one with the secret to skin cell reprogramming.

I wish he'd tell me. I'm almost looking Ethiopian again and still the loose skin makes me look fat.

**.V.** · 13-Sep-05, 02:48 PM

Dave, I think the point here is you can do it. When you get your BF% down it will be easire to maintian. Whether you "reprogram" fat cells or not. Simply by having less fat, more muscle, eating frequently and right, along with your higher activity level (HIIT, walking, lifting, whatever you can do), your metabolism is going to be faster than it is when you have more fat and less muscle. And you've already gotten the more muscle part going for you. Dave you can do it and there is nothing to stop you, fat cells, genetics, whatever. Then once it's done - if you don't go back to the old ways that made you overweight in the first place - you will be able to manage it, keep lean, and keep building muscle. In my opinion, if you are gaining a great deal of fat along with the muscle you are simply eating more than you need to make the muscle. That is why your body is storing it as fat.

Not trying to insult you here. We are all about encouraging and supporting one another here. You've helped me and I hope this will be helpful and encouraging to you. When you start worrying about fat cell storage capacity, it sounds like you are setting yourself up for defeat and I certainly don't want to see that happen.

**Firehawk** · 13-Sep-05, 04:33 PM

I think I'm tired of going nowhere in this conversation.

Lee isn't THAT Fat at all in his picture. If he was over 30% or more, he wouldn't be getting shredded in 10 weeks.

I really don't think people are getting the clue. I'm not making excuses, the point of all my posts was that it was more difficult for my body type. Believe it or not, whatever. We can agree to disagree.

**Todd** · 13-Sep-05, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Firehawk

I think I'm tired of going nowhere in this conversation.

Lee isn't THAT Fat at all in his picture. If he was over 30% or more, he wouldn't be getting shredded in 10 weeks.

I really don't think people are getting the clue. I'm not making excuses, the point of all my posts was that it was more difficult for my body type. Believe it or not, whatever. We can agree to disagree.

First off, lee is pretty fat in that pic...don't know what percentage exactly, and really exact percentages don't matter. The point is, yah Firehawk maybe your body type does have a harder time loosing the fat, but that is not an excuse for what CAN be done to change your body type, your current metabolism, and lose the fat.

Like Welch said, once you alter your metabolism, it becomes easier and easier to lose the fat...cuz your metabolism is higher, and is burning more calories even while at rest...this is the whole key! Anyone can get ripped...just like anyone can get fat as hell.....even I can get over 30% body fat if I wanted to...if I changed my diet and my lifestyle habits...hell, even if I just changed my diet i could get there over time. So, just like anyone can get fat, anyone can get ripped...or at least fairly lean.

There are no excuses Firehawk....not trying to upset you or say you are making excuses, but I am just pointing out in general that anyone can get lean...it just takes knowledge and execution of a sound diet, training and rest regimen over time...no matter what your current body type (or metabolism) is or has been in the past. It may be harder for some compared to others, but it can be done...may just take longer.

**Firehawk** · 13-Sep-05, 04:49 PM

Well Todd I think you FINALLY agreed with my ENTIRE point in your last sentence of that post.
It may be harder for some compared to others, but it can be done...may just take longer.

That's all I been trying to say, THE END.

By the way, depending on your standards, Lee is not that fat. I bet you he's not over 20%. Compared to his shredded pic he looks fat, but objectively, he's not really that fat at all. There's no way someone's gonna cut down from 30% to less than 5% in 10 weeks.