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Old 10-Jun-03, 11:10 PM   #1
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Technique for sumo deadlifts


Maybe someone could explain to me (down to the fine details) or show me a site where it details sumo dealifts? I'm going to try them out and see if I like them better than regular deadlifts.
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Old 11-Jun-03, 12:03 AM   #2
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Conventional or Sumo?

By Tom McCullough MEd., MSS

Well what's it going to be a conventional stance or a sumo stance? Is there a difference? Here are some interesting studies done on the deadlift. Cholewicki et al. (1991) reported in a recent study comparing the sumo and conventional styles that there were no significant differences in compressive disc forces at the L4 or L5 vertebrae. However the conventional deadlift showed significantly more movement and load shear forces in the L4/L5 that the sumo. So as we all pretty much are already aware, the sumo deadlift takes much of the strain and movement from the low back. To further back this statement, Horn (1988) found through an EMG study that the erectors were twice as active in the conventional stance as the sumo.

There are many anecdotal reports as well that claim the sumo deadlift is much more technical and requires more skill. Many also say this technique is more biomechanically sound and more efficient because the bar does not have to travel as far. How true are these anecdotal reports?

To investigate some of these claims McGuinan and Wilson (1996) recently did some extensive biomechanical analysis of the sumo and conventional style deadlift. The following is a summary of what they found:

The liftoff
The sumo has a trunk angle that is significantly closer to vertical that conventional lifters. Sumo lifters were also found to have much larger hip and knee angles at the start of the lift. This style shifts the bulk of the load on the hips and knees. While the conventional lifter with a more stooped-over trunk position at liftoff utilizes more low back muscles to get the weight moving off the floor.

The distance the bar must travel
As reported in other studies, this study also found that the average total distance the bar must travel to complete the lift was reduced by 19%. As we all know work is defined by taking the amount of force or weight and multiplying it by the distance the bar must travel. So by reducing the distance by 19%, the sumo lifter has automatically reduced the amount of work necessary to lift a given amount of weight.

Bar path
Grabiner and Garhammer (1989) noted that the most of the most important factors to be considered in lifting weights is to keep the weight as close to the body as possible. This reduces the lever arm distance, thus significantly reducing the resistive torque. Cholewicki et al. (1991) found that using the sumo stance not only kept the bar closer to the body than the conventional stance but it also reduced the lever arm distance by shortening the movement of the lumbar. McGuinan and Wilson (1996) similarily found that the sumo lift kept the bar path significantly closer to the body that of the conventional stance.

Lift time
Power is defined as total work divided by time. So the actual amount of power it takes to lift the weight is highly dependent on the amount of time it takes to lift the weight. However, McGuinan and Wilson (1996) determined that both the sumo and conventional stance required an average of 2.0 seconds to complete. Thus, there is no difference in the amount of power produced by either lift.

Sticking points
It was found half of the sumo lifters had a sticking point somewhere in the second half of the lift where only 15% of the conventional style lifters got stuck here. However, there seemed to be no exact point in common between the lifters. McLaughlin et al. (1977) claims that these sticking points are actually caused at the point where the most effective muscles in the deadlift are in a disadvantaged position. Because we are all built slightly different, this point could vary from lifter to lifter. This exact position can be determined with a Peak motion analysis. Horn (1988) determined that a kinetic analysis using an EMG study of the ankle, hip, and low back in conjunction with strength testing could also accurately determine which muscle group would limit performance during the deadlift. Then proper assistance work could be used to lessen these sticking points.

The available literature does seem to indicate that there were several biomechanical advantages in using the sumo over the conventional style of deadlift.


Greater range of knee extension at the bottom of the lift.
A more upright posture.
The distance the weight must be moved is greatly reduced.
The bar path is kept closer to the body, thus making the levers more efficient.
Elite powerlifter Tom McCullough MEd.,MSS of Excel Sport Nutrition, Inc., specializes in strength and conditioning for sport, sport nutrition, weight loss, and personal fitness, and is a consultant for the International Sport Sciences Association, a national certification agency for strength coaches and personal trainers, and also works as a full-time physical education instructor and football coach.


http://www.stumptuous.com/baddl.html

A lot has been published on the SUMO deadlift, search GOOGLE.

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Old 11-Jun-03, 08:39 AM   #3
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Thanks Steve good read bro! Now, can you give me the details on how to do them? I mean like foot placement, direction the toes point in, stuff like that.
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I do them exactly like Diva does them in the above link. My feet go even further out - like a real wide stance.

Toes slightly pointed out.....you gotta experiment with it.....which foot position feels the best. My hands are about 6-8 inches apart.

I don't do sumo's for my back. They are strickly for my legs, especially the inner part and hams. I do them after leg-curls.

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Old 11-Jun-03, 10:58 AM   #5
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Me too Steve, I love sumos.

With a "blown out back" like I h ave, I'm the Queen of Technique because I cannot always lift massive loads,...so I am incredibly precise with my form. With sumos, with precise form, the muscle recruitment is incredible, and they FEEL marvelous doing them. I feel totally SAFE with them, the stance feels great, I feel no jarring on my joints, especially lumbar spine, and even with the greater angle in my knees, because of where the body is in correlation to the starting point, it's easier to lift with the whole body.

By "easier" I mean it feels safer, not that it feels easier as in "not hard to do."

I have clients doing them as well, and other than scraped up shins (that's just one of those things ya gotta suck up and deal with at times)....these are big hits!

I also do them with DB's and find I can control the load placement better with greater control.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Merrida
sumos, with precise form, the muscle recruitment is incredible,
When I did them the first time I walked like a duck for a week.

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Old 11-Jun-03, 03:39 PM   #7
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Ya gotta love those waddles! Hehe....
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Old 11-Jun-03, 03:49 PM   #8
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Here's another reason I might switch to sumo (other than the cool name hahahaha)

Ps the attach is Deciever, a moderator of the forum.bodybuliding powerlifting forums. 140 doing 420
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they look cool im gonna try the sumo way next week . Being a shorter guy maybe it will help me . thanks for the post.
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