The race for the 1,000-pound bench press. - Page 2

Plucas8916 · 14-Aug-04, 01:04 AM

Its just as much cheating as steriods in a bodybuilding competition. But I agree if everyone there is going to have one, then you should too.

DaRkAnGel · 14-Aug-04, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Plucas8916

Its just as much cheating as steriods in a bodybuilding competition. But I agree if everyone there is going to have one, then you should too.

Lol very ignorant statement.

pbody · 14-Aug-04, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Plucas8916

Its just as much cheating as steriods in a bodybuilding competition. But I agree if everyone there is going to have one, then you should too.

Ehh, no. I gather the bench shirts are legal in at least some competitions. It certainly seems like a hard thing to try to sneak past the judges. Not against the rules means it's not cheating. No one is denying they use bench shirts either, so there's no deception whatsoever to fans. They also aren't illegal in a very real sense that you can't get jail time for selling them or carrying them around.

I don't like the idea of bench shirts. I don't like any sport where one competitor having a better piece of equipment can give any advantage over others. But if it makes the sport safer and increases the longevity of the athletes (less injuries), then I suppose I could consider it a necessary evil. I'm certainly not a world class powerlifter, so I don't get a say

Plucas8916 · 14-Aug-04, 10:56 AM

So are all you guys pro-steriod too?

DaRkAnGel · 14-Aug-04, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Plucas8916

So are all you guys pro-steriod too?

LOL. Steroids are in every sport buddy. Bench shirts are 100% legal and beneficial to the athletes, and the real fans who want to see more weight go up than ever before possible.

Hell you might as well take away belts. They help you cheat by not breaking your back. While we're at it, let's take away chalk that only creates more friction allowing to grip more. And finally, who needs knee straps?

Lift2Live · 14-Aug-04, 03:14 PM

LOL There is a difference between using an "aide" like lifting shirts to push up more weight than using knee straps or a back brace that keeps a bodypart from snapping.

Did anyone read this article? The shirts are so stiff that it is using that "spring" to HELP push the weight back up. I'd feel pretty crappy about my lift if I knew a shirt did most of the work. The "raw" form is a 100% true test of a persons strength.

pbody · 14-Aug-04, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Plucas8916

So are all you guys pro-steriod too?

No, why would you get that impression?

Bench shirt not against the rules=>it's not cheating
steroids against the rules=>it's cheating

It's pretty cut and dry to me one is cheating and the other isn't.

Whether it's good for the sport or not would be up for debate. I'd rather see raw lifts, but not as much as I'd rather not see injuries and I'm not the one who has 800+ pounds above my chest.

DaRkAnGel · 14-Aug-04, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lift2Live

LOL There is a difference between using an "aide" like lifting shirts to push up more weight than using knee straps or a back brace that keeps a bodypart from snapping.

Did anyone read this article? The shirts are so stiff that it is using that "spring" to HELP push the weight back up. I'd feel pretty crappy about my lift if I knew a shirt did most of the work. The "raw" form is a 100% true test of a persons strength.

Ok no offense man, but you are full of crap. Knee straps help you bring up the weight in just the same amount and the same can be said about a belt.

Pretty crappy about bringing the weight back up? Buy a bench shirt, i'd be surprised if you pushed more than 30 pounds of your one rep max. Jeez i don't understand the crap that's coming out of your mouth right now. Complete disrespect to powerlifters and complete ignorance.

pmcgough · 14-Aug-04, 04:23 PM

braces and belts are made to use to prevent injury, not increase the weight your using

Gartrell · 14-Aug-04, 04:25 PM

I'm not against em, i just don't use em cus I can't use one on the field.

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Originally Posted by pbody

I don't like the idea of bench shirts. I don't like any sport where one competitor having a better piece of equipment can give any advantage over others.

new golf clubs
the fullbody swim suits
helmets which protect jaws
equipment's always given an edge, why should liftin be different.

DaRkAnGel · 14-Aug-04, 04:30 PM

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**************...braces and belts are made to use to prevent injury, not increase the weight your using

I'm sorry you're right. Clearly you're the wiser. Wrapping your knees for an added spring effect does nothing to your max. More intra abdominal pressure has nothing to do with lifting more weight.

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pbody · 14-Aug-04, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gartrell

new golf clubs
the fullbody swim suits
helmets which protect jaws
equipment's always given an edge, why should liftin be different.

I never said it should be different from other sports. Read what you quoted again, but I'll restate: I don't think equipment should ever give an edge in any sport. Everyone should have access to equivalent equipment of their competitors. It should be about the athlete, not their gear, that wins the competition. This goes for every sport. This is just my opinion, but I think it would suck to lose a powerlifting competition by a few pounds to a guy who had a higher quality (and presumably more expensive) bench shirt. Did you lose because he had a better shirt or because he's stronger than you? How could you ever know?

DaRkAnGel · 14-Aug-04, 05:45 PM

There are no excuses. You either win or lose. In the end it's the blood, sweat, and tears that wins you a competition, not the shirt.

Lift2Live · 14-Aug-04, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaRkAnGel

I'm sorry you're right. Clearly you're the wiser. Wrapping your knees for an added spring effect does nothing to your max. More intra abdominal pressure has nothing to do with lifting more weight.

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No, wrapping your knees has nothing to do with a "spring effect". It's to keep them from blowing out. Same with a back brace, to keep you from injuring it when lifting heavy.

I don't know who's coaching you. Is it your 5th period PE instructor or what?

pbody · 14-Aug-04, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaRkAnGel

There are no excuses. You either win or lose. In the end it's the blood, sweat, and tears that wins you a competition, not the shirt.

The shirt clearly helps you move more weight. What about an amateur competition where one guy could afford a shirt and one couldn't. Assume their blood, sweat, and tears are in equal abundance in both guys. Explain to the loser that he wasn't beaten by a shirt.

Yes, it's the lifter who lifts the weight, blah, blah, blah. The shirt helps, it's not just a safety device. If everyone's on an equal level gear wise, then yahoo. What if they aren't?