The race for the 1,000-pound bench press. - Page 3

Cort · 14-Aug-04, 08:54 PM

Well, if you are competing in a competition that allows shirts (I'm pretty sure raw only comps exist right?)...ya shouldn't be too disappointed if you lose because you didn't/couldn't bring one.

DaRkAnGel · 14-Aug-04, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pbody

The shirt clearly helps you move more weight. What about an amateur competition where one guy could afford a shirt and one couldn't. Assume their blood, sweat, and tears are in equal abundance in both guys. Explain to the loser that he wasn't beaten by a shirt.

Yes, it's the lifter who lifts the weight, blah, blah, blah. The shirt helps, it's not just a safety device. If everyone's on an equal level gear wise, then yahoo. What if they aren't?

Shirts don't cost that much... trust me this does not happen.

DaRkAnGel · 14-Aug-04, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lift2Live

No, wrapping your knees has nothing to do with a "spring effect". It's to keep them from blowing out. Same with a back brace, to keep you from injuring it when lifting heavy.

I don't know who's coaching you. Is it your 5th period PE instructor or what?

Are you really implying that wraps don't move more weight? They definetely make a difference buddy. I don't know who's training you but it must feel nice to know that a 16 year old moves more weight than you in every single lift. Maybe my coach knows more than yours eh?

BTW i have no coach i was just replying to your ridicule.

Lift2Live · 14-Aug-04, 10:02 PM

LOL Yes, that's exactly what i'm saying. They are only good for support, period!

DaRkAnGel · 14-Aug-04, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lift2Live

LOL Yes, that's exactly what i'm saying. They are only good for support, period!

Here since you are so smart maybe you can explain this:

"Knee wraps have long been a mainstay for competitive powerlifters, and for good reason. When properly used, wraps can dramatically improve knee safety during heavy squatting. More important, however, is the fact that wraps give you at least a 5-10 percent increase in how much you can lift"

That's by Dr.Squat. If you think you are more knowledgeable than him. Case closed.

**beefcurry1** · 15-Aug-04, 10:41 AM

knee wraps may give you more support, as with a bench shirt, but they DO help you do more. i know that if i use knee wraps i can usually get an extra 30-40 lbs added to my squat and with a bench shirt an extra 10-20. go put on knee wraps and tell me it isnt hard to go to a parallel squat with no weight. put on a bench shirt and do a couple pushups, then tell me you could touch your chest as easily as you could without. if 2 guys of equal strength go to a competition and 1 has a bench shirt and knee wraps and the other doesnt, its no competition.

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Originally Posted by Cort

(I'm pretty sure raw only comps exist right?)

i dont think i have ever seen a comp that DIDNT allow shirts/wraps/belts.

-beef-

Lift2Live · 15-Aug-04, 10:48 AM

The only reason knee wraps would 'seemingly' give you the ability to squat more is the added stability they give to the knee. This is only an indirect help. There is no direct spring effect that they provide. Their number one priority is safety.

**beefcurry1** · 15-Aug-04, 11:06 AM

have you ever worn knee wraps? as tight as they are they keep the knee from bending/help the knee straighten out. how is this not direct help?

-beef-

Maclane · 15-Aug-04, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaRkAnGel

Lol very ignorant statement.

its not ignorant, its just his opinion and I think he's entitled to it.

Lift2Live · 15-Aug-04, 02:27 PM

This will go round and round, so i'll agree to disagree for the time being.

DustinLati · 15-Aug-04, 02:57 PM

Ive read about bench shirts before, and i dont know much about them, but if hundreds of pounds DONT EVEN PUSH THE ARMS OF THE SHIRT DOWN, i think its safe to say that the shirt is lifting 99% of the weight for you, you just have to push it that extra little bit.

If you can only bench 500 pounds without a shirt, but you can bench 800 pounds with a shirt, you can still only bench 500 pounds. I dont buy the "shirts keep the sport safe" argument, thats just an excuse to be able to make yourself look as if you can lift more weight.

If youre 6'0" tall, and you put on a pair of KISS boots that make you 6'10" tall, YOURE STILL 6 FEET TALL.

DustinLati · 15-Aug-04, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaRkAnGel

LOL. Steroids are in every sport buddy. Bench shirts are 100% legal and beneficial to the athletes, and the real fans who want to see more weight go up than ever before possible.

Hey, lets start using CAT cranes at lifts. That way, lifters could push up over 100,000 pounds with their pinky finger. Thats more weight going up than ever before possible, and if you hurt yourself when the crane is doing all the work you deserve a Darwin award anyway

DustinLati · 15-Aug-04, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pbody

No, why would you get that impression?

Bench shirt not against the rules=>it's not cheating
steroids against the rules=>it's cheating

It's pretty cut and dry to me one is cheating and the other isn't.

Well what if in soccer they made a rule that every player could have a gun, and as soon as the game starts everybody starts killing eachother, and the last player alive can sit in front of the open goal and keep kicking the ball in the net over and over for 90 minutes. It would bring the game to a whole new level, with scores unheard of ever before, reaching into the 1000's (up from maybe 2 or 3). Thats pretty unfair, and even though its "not against the rules" its still cheating in my book.

Just because something doesnt go against the set of guidelines that were created when a bunch of people sat down and thought them up doesnt make it right.

At least steroids dont do anything for you, if you stick a needle in your butt everyday for 10 years and dont eat right and dont workout, YOURE NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE JAY CULTER. But if youre a 12 year old girl who can only lift the bar, you can still put on a shirt and bench 100 pounds.

Which one sounds like cheating to you?

Lee J B · 15-Aug-04, 06:20 PM

I agree with pbody and the rest with this view, just pbody puts it across well. (By the way, how are you doing buddy ???)

Cheating - Violating accepted standards or rules.

I've competed and have used a shirt, I'm not so confident that any of the guys there were prepared to be told they were cheating, and I would pay to be on front seats to watch when someone wants to voice their opinion to the 250+ lb group. Although that is beside the point, you can actually get competitions where the rules clearly state that shirts are not allowed....so for people who don't like them .... that's your cue. Insofar as breaking records with them, well, believe me if you compete, and you wear one, you will know that no matter what's said about these things - if you haven't got the power, you'll never have it....you can wear anything you like to help you, but if the hours haven't been put in that bar aint goin' nowhere..... and 500 to 800 pounds is heavily overdoing it.

For me personally it added around 30lbs, and I actually think that in most (read not all) aspects you actually have to be more skilled to use a shirt effectively - because the technique is VERY different and to get that 100lbs out of the shirt, well... let's just put it this way, no one I know is going to be putting on a shirt and gain 100lbs with a click of their fingers.

DaRkAnGel · 15-Aug-04, 07:24 PM

I don't even know why i bother. It's called powerlifting not fitness lifting. You cannot add 300 pounds to your bench like that. If you think benching with a shirt is so easy then try it! edit.

Disagree with me all you want about the straps I don't care. edit
Example:
I prove to you that wraps add weight to your squat to which you reply:

"The only reason knee wraps would 'seemingly' give you the ability to squat more is the added stability they give to the knee. This is only an indirect help. There is no direct spring effect that they provide. Their number one priority is safety."

edit.