This the Correct Way to Lift ???

DarkLord · 07-Dec-05, 12:34 PM

From this link a guy on here ( NOT ME) points out that Ronnie and Flex Wheeler are lifting with improper form. www.zapsgym.com/resources/my_turn/poor_role_models.htm Tell me what you think please and if it's true.:confused:

**Firehawk** · 07-Dec-05, 12:42 PM

I can't see the videos at work here but i don't like how he used the example of a powerlifting competition. The guy has never been to one himself or doesn't understand powerlifting at all to say something like that.

Second, training for explosiveness and power is what sprinters do and they are huge so i don't know how he can use that in his defense.

Third, i think they do have bad form at times. I've seen Ronnie deadlift and his form is "not optimal" but he probably uses deadlifts only for lower back work. He does them stiff legged especially during sets with multiple reps and he does them touch and go.

I also don't like how he says training with power and acceleration doesn't stress the muscle enough. That's false because if that was the case sprinters would be small and they aren't.

It's true that accelerating the weight helps move more weight. But this type of trianing, and training ur reps very slow are hitting the muscles "differently". That's what he shoulda said.

**Firehawk** · 07-Dec-05, 12:52 PM

Oh and he starts taking personal shots at them which has no bearing on their training or how they look so disregard all that mumbo jumbo. And lastly, I seriously doubt if these guys trained at a gym that the author of this article owned, there's no way he'd be kicking them out after seeing how much attention and BUSINESS it drew to his gym. Sorry, don't believe it

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luke.w · 07-Dec-05, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Firehawk

Second, training for explosiveness and power is what sprinters do and they are huge so i don't know how he can use that in his defense.

Third, i think they do have bad form at times. I've seen Ronnie deadlift and his form is "not optimal" but he probably uses deadlifts only for lower back work. He does them stiff legged especially during sets with multiple reps and he does them touch and go.

I also don't like how he says training with power and acceleration doesn't stress the muscle enough. That's false because if that was the case sprinters would be small and they aren't.

It's true that accelerating the weight helps move more weight. But this type of trianing, and training ur reps very slow are hitting the muscles "differently". That's what he shoulda said.

I agree with all this!

I do agree on some of the bashing also, I do think these guys are bad role models, too many newbie's or even advanced use these guys as examples in thier own training.

**.V.** · 07-Dec-05, 03:15 PM

So doing reps quickly, with enough force to move very heavy weights without absolutely perfect form is NOT the way to get muscle and strength gains?

Quick, somebody tell the pros, the powerlifters, the max ot guys, and for God's sake somebody hurry up and tell Todd before it's too late. Poor guys will end up small and weak forever.

DarkLord · 08-Dec-05, 03:26 PM

I will say one thing about Ronnie though, he's quite an inspiration in watching him with such a great positiive cheery attitude to lifting heavy. Ever recall Ferrigno's frustrated attitude in Pumping Iron?

**Firehawk** · 08-Dec-05, 06:44 PM

Luke I agree with you on the bashing, i do think some of it is deserved and i do think that newbies look at these guys and try to emulate their routines and it's just impossible to at a newbie level.

heavyliftn · 08-Dec-05, 08:11 PM

This guy is an idiot, and guess what? He obviously is not a pro bodybuilder or Mr. Olympia so I think he should shut his trap and spend more time in the gym.

**.V.** · 08-Dec-05, 09:20 PM

Or less time in the gym - spent lifting heavier weights harder with more effort.

Axion · 12-Dec-05, 02:15 PM

I agree that at times pro-bodybuilders don't appear to have the best form, but in responce to that I say this. Take someone like coleman. He's HUGE and STRONG as sh***. I think one or both of these is the goal of everyone who lifts weights. In addition to that, since he's been Mr. O for how many years straight? He must not get badly injured all to often.

So, if what he's doing works to get him huge and strong without major injuries how can you say it's all wrong?

luke.w · 12-Dec-05, 03:05 PM

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So, if what he's doing works to get him huge and strong without major injuries how can you say it's all wrong?[/QUOTE]

here's the thing Axion, you really don't know what these guys are really doing man, first off I've read in "Flex" mag about Ronnies injuries and accorrding to the mag he's had some scary ones (ruptured disks ect. you name it) of course you can't believe everything in "flex" right?, but still some of these guys have surguries and others things kept out of the public view, the drugs are a big secret because I have yet to even read about how they go about it, so in reality you don't really know what these guys are going through.

luke.w · 12-Dec-05, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by luke.w

I have yet to even read about how they go about it, so in reality you don't really know what these guys are going through.

actually I own a documentry of a Swedish discus (olyimpic) thrower Ricky Burch, and it shows the drug-use in it, he shot up several of times and consumed over 100 vitimins in one sitting, he said he was eating 400 a day and needed to work up 700 a day to feel good, he did this to try and get HG without taking the illegal product this vid was pretty damn sick, all this to throw a discus (imagine what the bodybuilder does?) BTW Ricky at 39 years old broke the world recoed throw in training, but didn't make the olyimpics afterwards.

Axion · 12-Dec-05, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by luke.w

here's the thing Axion, you really don't know what these guys are really doing man, first off I've read in "Flex" mag about Ronnies injuries and accorrding to the mag he's had some scary ones (ruptured disks ect. you name it) of course you can't believe everything in "flex" right?, but still some of these guys have surguries and others things kept out of the public view, the drugs are a big secret because I have yet to even read about how they go about it, so in reality you don't really know what these guys are going through.

I could be wrong about the injuries thing. But It really does seem to me that in order to be able to stay on top of the game for 8 years straight (that's how long it's been for ronnie right?) You can't be getting too many major injuries or your competition would pass you by.

**.V.** · 12-Dec-05, 05:25 PM

hmmm, strongmen, pro bodybuilders, max ot guys, powerlifters...a little loose on the form, work the other muscles besides the one being isolated, strong core - hey maybe these guys are onto something.

And I tend to agree that if you get hurt too badly, too often, you will not be able to be at the top - especially with some of the competition that is out there.

**threenorns** · 12-Dec-05, 09:52 PM

isolation is NOT a good way to build functional muscle - just muscle that looks pretty. there's a vid posted of markus ruhl, simply massive bodybuilder with quads that look like they belong on a beef farm - he's struggling with a 295 squat and the 410 squat was pathetic - he only went a quarter of the way down.

what's the point of looking good if all that muscle is functionally useless?