Tonight I kill my deltoids

[rab91787]

Well it's been two weeks since I went back to my old style of lifting (I changed when I came to this board and for whatever reason went to lower reps and higher weight but didn't progress as well) and it's time to give my delts a shock. I am going to do a Big Ron giant set for all 3 delt raise exercises after I do my shoulder pressing. I'll let you all know how it goes :

[maverick]

You joined this board a month ago, not really enough time to know whether or not a training style works or not for you. Patience is key. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that crap.

[rab91787]

I observe changes in separation and definition rather quickly with my normal style of training.

[maverick]

separation and definition come from decreasing bodyfat. Training routines are not meant to pack on muscle overnight, unless you believe the cover of Flex or whatever Muscletech is trying to sell you. How else would they sell their stuff?

[rab91787]

Separation isn't created from decreasing bodyfat... you can see it more with lower bodyfat, though.

[luke.w]

part 2............... defination....... diet-vs-training

the son of size.......... pump-vs-heavy

the fun starts!!!!!!

[maverick]

Originally Posted by luke.w

part 2............... defination....... diet-vs-training

the son of size.......... pump-vs-heavy

the fun starts!!!!!!

Good point, I've already ruined one thread trying to educate this kid, and thats one too many.

Unless this thread takes another turn, I will leave it at this.

- Definition and separation are a function of muscle size and bodyfat level.
- Anyone can have both with a low bodyfat, but it becomes more apparent with more muscle.
- "Pump" does not count as increased definition or separation.
- A month is not enough time to give a program if you have the claimed 2 years of experience that you have. You should know this. Unless that program is trying to sell you NO-Xplode along with it.

[luke.w]

I think I fried most of my brain cells reading that last thread, it brought out the 12year old in me, so I had fun with it, just throwing some blabber in their post after post...............some where true thoughts though.

[rab91787]

Originally Posted by maverick

Good point, I've already ruined one thread trying to educate this kid, and thats one too many.

That's horrible.

Originally Posted by maverick

Unless this thread takes another turn, I will leave it at this.

- Definition and separation are a function of muscle size and bodyfat level.
- Anyone can have both with a low bodyfat, but it becomes more apparent with more muscle.
- "Pump" does not count as increased definition or separation.
- A month is not enough time to give a program if you have the claimed 2 years of experience that you have. You should know this. Unless that program is trying to sell you NO-Xplode along with it.

Bingo. Separation is more definite with low bodyfat and once you have built up the individual heads and fibers of each group. Someone who just does shoulder-width barbell curls, for example, won't get as much separation as someone who hits the biceps from multiple angles and builds up both the short head and the long head. Making sure you build up both by isolating each head leads to the famous double-bicep pose

[maverick]

Originally Posted by luke.w

I think I fried most of my brain cells reading that last thread, it brought out the 12year old in me, so I had fun with it, just throwing some blabber in their post after post...............some where true thoughts though.

amen

[luke.w]

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[Maxgain]

Originally Posted by rab91787

Bingo. Separation is more definite with low bodyfat and once you have built up the individual heads and fibers of each group. Someone who just does shoulder-width barbell curls, for example, won't get as much separation as someone who hits the biceps from multiple angles and builds up both the short head and the long head. Making sure you build up both by isolating each head leads to the famous double-bicep pose

Cant say I agree compunds hit them all then it comes to bodyfat

[minime]

agree wit maxgain - compounds are the way to go. If u take a look at gymnasts/rowers etc. they have great looking upper bodies - do you think they spend a lot of time worrying about the different 'heads' of their bicep? Not exhaustive examples i know, just saying - don't get caught up with the details TOO much.

arguing with maverick will get you nowhere - have you seen his avatar? I think he knows what he is talking about. He (and others) take the time to try to help you - it is you who has everything to gain from this, not them. So take the opportunity to learn as much as you can from those more knowledgeable than you - that is what these forums are for, so that we may all share and grow

As pierini would say, have a great day!

[rab91787]

Nope. Compound exercises aren't all you should be doing if you are bodybuilding. Powerlifting, yes.

[maverick]

Originally Posted by rab91787

Powerlifting, yes.

Nope, powerlifters use isolation exercises, just not as the cornerstone of their workouts. But then again, neither do bodybuilders.