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Old 01-Aug-07, 10:46 AM   #1
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Recently I've encountered something that I've felt before but never so distinctly. My workout buddy (we'll call him Jim) and I split ways when I took my sabbatical a month or so ago. He started working out with someone who was newer to weights than he was. So now Jim's setting the routines. After 30-45 mins I usually finish my workout and go find them. They're only halfway through. They're doing their 3rd set of 10 reps of some variation of a bench press. They do isolation lifts almost exclusively, and none of their workouts are less than 2 hours.

I've tried to give advice without interfering but it's maddening. I try to tell them, that it's too much time, that they're either not lifting right or they're not trying hard enough. That they shouldn't be able to keep lifting that long. They should be exhausted after an hour, hour and a half most. That they could get so much more benefit from clean and jerks, weighted pull ups, etc. But to no avail.

I'm sure we've all experienced the scenario, and what it comes down to is experience. I've been lifting for 7 years, Jim for 3-4 and his new buddy for maybe a year. I know that when I've tried those set ups I've been left with deficiencies in other areas (usually cardiovascular fitness). But how do you get through to people. I know how reluctant I was 3 years ago to include leg days. Looking back now I can't think why, although I remember the excuses (I don't want big legs, I want to be able to run, I run so I don't need to, I don't have time {when I'm working out 4 times a week for 2 hours I'm not surprised}).

Is there any way other than to just take away all control of the routine, and give them routines that more experienced lifters came up with? I guess what I'm asking is how can we help friends bypass the 100 bicep curls stage and get a broader understanding of fitness (including nutrition)?

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Old 01-Aug-07, 11:56 AM   #2
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I think modeling is the best you can do as it is the best instruction possible. Your friend is definitely taking notes, watching what you are doing and as your superfitness skyrockets, one day he'll scratch his head and realize that maybe he should start doing as you are.

Unless he doesn't want your results.

So keep your pedal to the metal and remember that the world is watching.
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Old 01-Aug-07, 12:10 PM   #3
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You learn more from failure than you do from success. When the youngster doesn't see what he likes he will want to change his routine. Then your friend will either loose his partner or change his mindset.
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Old 01-Aug-07, 12:14 PM   #4
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We all lift the way we do because we think it will work or is working for us. An interesting thing to remember is that all resistance training works. some is more effective than others for specific goals but it all gets the job done.

So, don't worry about it, do your thing and let them do theirs. If they see they aren't getting the results they want, then it will be time for them to change it...not until.
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I've found that most people won't change their ways unless they see a need so you can talk til' you're blue in the face and it won't make a difference. If they see your results and like them they may want to know your secret
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Old 05-Aug-07, 10:36 AM   #6
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We all lift the way we do because we think it will work or is working for us. An interesting thing to remember is that all resistance training works. some is more effective than others for specific goals but it all gets the job done.

So, don't worry about it, do your thing and let them do theirs. If they see they aren't getting the results they want, then it will be time for them to change it...not until.
Yup....I agree

Also, your philosophy will change over time as well. Right now you do not see merit in training past an hour or so. You see power movements as better choices. This may change your mind.... may not. Try not to get frustrated.....life is only an opinion anyway.
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Old 06-Aug-07, 03:43 AM   #7
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hey jmike! i can certainly relate. theres this one kid maybe 16-17 who goes to my gym and does preacher curls for an hour+ and then leaves only for me to see him doing the same thing 2 days later?!?!?!

i do somtimes wonder what those people are thinking to themselves. but in the end i just try to ignore them (as hard as it is)...
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