twice a day ??

[pseudonym]

G'day all

Well summer holidays are finally upon us (well me anyway ) and I have got to thinking maybe it is time to tweak the routine a little.

I've been on my current one for about 6 weeks and have seen good results i.e. put on c.1.5kg (3.3lbs) of what I think is mostly muscle and all my max weights have increased by at least 20% (my bench has nearly doubled).

So now I find myself in a very very good situation, I am being paid to sit around and do nothing (I'm on a suidy scholarship and my study is on a 2 month break heh heh heh : ).

I wonder then if there is any great benefit to a person of my experience and relative lack of strength training twice a day ??

Like I said I have all day every day free ('sept 2 nights a week when I teach) and what better way to not spend my meagre stipend then spend 3 or 4 hours a day oin the gym (and I got nothing else to do but sleep in between times )

Any of you experienced folk out there have any advice on this ?? good/bad idea for a beginning intermediate ecto ?? (goal is obvoisuly mass building ... my metabolism and 18 hours a week Taekwondo will take care of the rest).

I'm all ears.

[threenorns]

cardio in the morning, then 8 to 12 hours later, the weights for about an hour.

any more than that and you'll be overtraining.

you also have to think about what'll happen when Real Life returns - what is the point of building this fabulous bod if you won't be able to maintain it on your normal schedule, eh?

[abarlament]

Exercising twice a day (am and pm) would be good for partitioning where calories go. Not because you'd automatically be "overtraining" if you did them any closer than 8-12 hours, it just doesn't work like that.

If you really feel like it, you can do a couple of sets in the morning, and a set at night to get the partitioning effect again.

[Shamrock]

Workout in the morning and chase women at night. Thats a better form of cardio :

[threenorns]

Originally Posted by abarlament

Exercising twice a day (am and pm) would be good for partitioning where calories go. Not because you'd automatically be "overtraining" if you did them any closer than 8-12 hours, it just doesn't work like that.

If you really feel like it, you can do a couple of sets in the morning, and a set at night to get the partitioning effect again.

the point of leaving 8 - 12 hours between cardio and weights is to allow full recovery between and get the most benefit from each session.

[rookie]

hold on what are your stats? i sometimes do quads in the mourning and hamstrings at night so i can hit them both as hard as i want and spend a decent chunk of time on them.

[pseudonym]

heh heh I'd rather not make my stats public they're quite embarrassing (so please don't look in my signature will ya) ... tell me again why I did that ... oh yeah public shame/motivation , first year psyche was not a waste after all .

Legs do not need that much time for me, they are a quick workout and I always feel it, possibly because I have only recently started to incorporate them into my workouts (don't ask why I just never put 'em in before ).

As it happens I have given the idea of twice a day the swerve card, going MAX-OT esque instead ... After all 10,000 lemmings can't be wrong ... j/k

[rookie]

well if i was you i would never ever ever ever ever do cardio you seem like your bf percent is exceptionally low. so i would eat probly 3000 cal a day of high carbs and high protein and go heavy on all the lifts. do alota mass producing excercises. military, squat, bench, u kno the basics.

[pseudonym]

heh heh yeah all over that one mate.

My BF is fairly low, mostly due to metabolism I rekon. My base maintainence caloric requirement is as near as I can guess 2000+. I have in the past undertaken an experiment which involved cutting all exercise (I was injured at the time and thought it would be fun) making a point of eating McDonalds, Pizza, something 'unhealthy' 5 times a week, and just generally scarfing anything and everythig I could find. I did not gain a single lb (or Kilo as the case was in 4 weeks) ... but I got a nasty case of acne .

Smashing the carbs and heavy weights is starting to have an effect but I got a ways to go and I rekon something along the lines of Max-OT is a good next step.

P.S. I do no dedicated cardio ... but I train Taekwondo/climb/play soccer pretty much every day ... does that count ?? lol

[threenorns]

umm... yeah, i would guess that counts a lot, lol.

[rookie]

i would lay off the soccer.also look into taking some creatine ester thatll help you with probly 5-10lbs if you keep at it and give you some extra strength and energy. another great way to gain, is purchase muscle milk, drink it in milk b4 you go to sleep and make another one and leave it in the fridge for when you wake up in the middle of the night have another one. fights of catabolism and promotes anabolism. also i ate clean and did this protein middle of the night thing it worked like a charm, here i am 15 pounds heavier. about the cardio thing, i wouldnt even run anywhere if i was in a hurry if iwas you. i would try to keep every calorie in my body.

[pseudonym]

If I wanted to be a massive man of muscle one day laying off cardio would be a good idea but I would much prefer to gain slower (and ultimately less) and be fit along the way.

Lifting and bulking is not all there is for me, I like the sports I play and will continue them in moderation even if it slows my progress a bit. I have cut back on my cardio markedly, I used to pull a 60km round commute on my bike to university every day ... don't do that any more.

I also no longer ride or jog for fun, these were sacrifices I was/am willing to make for the sake of building a more rounded physique, cutting out my soccer, climbing or taekwondo are not... bear in mind I am not playing A league games here, I'm strictly a weekend hack .

But you are right any cardio at all for someone of my bodytype is going to be at least mildly counterproductive to bulding muscle.

Ecto's take note !