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**maverick** · 08-Mar-06, 09:24 AM

I'll third the heavy eating compalint. I need AT LEAST 3800+ calories on a consistent basis to gain weight now. I'll follow rookie's example:

Meal 1 - 2 scoops of whey with water, big bowl of frosted mini wheats and 2 cups of skim milk (800)
Meal 2 - 2 whole eggs + 4 whites, chicken sausage, 1 cup of oatmeal (650)
WORKOUT
Meal 3 - 2-3 scoops of whey, 70g of dextrose/maltodextrin (600)
Meal 4 - 8oz. steak, 200 cals of whole wheat pasta (super high fiber and protein) w/ olive oil (620)
Meal 5 - Turkey sandwich on high fiber bread (400)
Meal 6 - Chicken breast w/ salad, EFA dressing, and FF cheese, some tuna (500)
Meal 7 - 1 scoop of whey, 1 - 1.5 cups of FF cottage cheese, 4 oz. of low sugar yogurt, 1 cup of FF milk (460)

So just about 4000 calories a day. Funny thing is, I've been eating this on weight training days and eating about 3000 calories on cardio days, and I've actually lost a few pounds. Its insane.

**.V.** · 08-Mar-06, 09:47 AM

Wow, I thought I was having a hard time eating enough splitting it up between 9-11 meals/day. You guys are eating more calories in even less feedings. I don't know how you can hold it all.

My food consists of:
1. Oatmeal, whey
2. whey preworkout
3. whey, dextrose/creatine postworkout
4. chicken or fish, brown rice (or whole wheat bread) (sometimes a sweet tater) post-postworkout
5. chicken or fish, brown rice or potato, mixed green veggies post-post-postworkout
6. more chicken or fish and veggies mid afternoon
7. whey preworkout
8. whey, dextrose/creatine postworkout
9. chicken or fish, brown rice or whole wheat bread (sometimes a sweet tater) post-postworkout
10. chicken or fish, brown rice or potato, and mixed green veggies post-post-postworkout.

Often before bed will be more chicken and veggies or a protein shake.

**maverick** · 08-Mar-06, 09:52 AM

Well, the trick for me is to get most of my calories for breakfast and surrounding my workouts. Notice even though I'm cramming down 4000 cals, I still taper them off and reduce carbs after meal 5.

**rangers97** · 08-Mar-06, 10:05 AM

I don't think the problem is actually holding it down for me, the problem is one of convenience and just actually doing it. If someone were to prepare my meals for me, I would have no problem eating a crapload of food....it's just annoying to always have to plan out what to eat, to make food for the night before etc...especially when I don't have access to any re-heating items at work (microwave, toaster oven), I can't really bring "chicken" or "beef" to work unless I want to eat it cold, which I tried doing for a couple of weeks, but it gets nasty real quick.

So now I am forced with having to eat one of my meals during the day "out" and we all know how difficult it is to get clean calories when you have to eat out. So far, one of the best I have found is Green Cactus, where you can get grilled chicken strips with beans and rice and tortillas, only downside is that it costs close to $9.00, and that is ridiculous to do every day.

While we're at it, here is my daily routine, on workout days. Feel free to help correct me if need be. Bear in mind, I would love to go on a "clean bulk", however, what usually ends up happening is that I either go into "eat nothing" mode or "screw it eat everything in sight" mode, and neither way really works well for a clean bulk, lol.
1. 2 packets instant oatmeal + 2 scoops whey
2. Promax bar
3. Turkey and 1 slice of american cheese sandwich on whole wheat bread
4. This is the tricky need to eat out meal---I know that it won't be so clean all the time, but I just shoot for high protein at the very least.
WORKOUT
5. Post workout--2 scoops whey, 100g dextrose
6. 2 teriyaki chicken breasts and 2 oz whole wheat pasta with 1 tbsp olive oil (sometimes this changes to lean beef, turkey, etc) but I shoot for 40g protein and about 200-300 calories worth of carbs plus whatever fat is in the food.
7. 2 granola bars, salad with olive oil dressing, 2 scoops whey

luke.w · 08-Mar-06, 11:14 AM

any reason why I didn't see any natural peanut butter in these diets, or cottage cheese (I saw it with you mav.)

guys when I was into that bbing stuff (and I was into it just like you guys for over 2years) I ate a natural peanut butter sandwitch every single day (and I never measured out only just one serving, did the samething with cottage cheese/with cashews mixed in it (again never measured) this adds lots of good calories (muscle building snacks).

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luke.w · 08-Mar-06, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by rookie

and i have another whey shake in milk if i wake up in the middle of the night...or i have a natural pb sandwhich on two slices of light whole wheat bread and low carb jelly ( i know its bad but i just cant imagine eating more chicken or cooking when i wake up at 4 am.)

oh here we go,(missed it) I certainly hope you don't mean the peanut butter is bad (jiff yes, natural, no) maybe the jelly might not be the best.

**maverick** · 08-Mar-06, 11:26 AM

Sorry, I actually forgot to mention that I snack on peanuts throughout the day. Also, every now and again I'll have tuna and a peanut butter sandwich for meal 2, or have salmon and brown rice for meal 4. I do tend to rotate a lot of variety into my meals.

**.V.** · 08-Mar-06, 11:53 AM

I'm not that much on variety, I like to keep it simple. However, natural peanut butter does sound like it may be a good thing to have around bedtime.

Cottage cheese? I'd rather puke from squats, deadlifts, or even pullups rather than from my food. I simply can't get it to go down.

Maxgain · 08-Mar-06, 12:04 PM

I just realised i have worked my way up to 4-5000 calories a day in 6/7 meals.
Now this is more than i previously calculated so ihave to do a rehaul on total calorie need on training and nontraining days. I also have to re establish my calories for this week when not training i know i will lose about 2lb and if not probably gain about a lb fat.
On top of that I do not even haver the time to ponder or work such a thing out with 2 final exams next week.
Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... ...................

Ok vent over i feel better now.

luke.w · 08-Mar-06, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by a_welch503

Cottage cheese? I simply can't get it to go down.

I'm the same way with tuna.......I'll eat it with some mayo with no problem,

I can't/couldn't eat the cottage cheese by itself eithier, thats why I added the cashew nuts to it.

rookie · 08-Mar-06, 12:45 PM

cottage cheese is ****in nasty! no i know natty pb is good, but at 4 am on whole wheat bread its not the best choice...dont know what id do without it...i wake up so much throughout the night still hungry...i get done working out at around 11 ocklock at night so thats why, but i have 2 meals and a milk and whey shake before bed..

**LiftGirl** · 08-Mar-06, 01:39 PM

So mav and rangers, you guys only eat veggies once a day?

I like natural peanut butter on a multi-grain English muffin for breakfast. Tasty and quick!

**maverick** · 08-Mar-06, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by luke.w

I'm the same way with tuna.......I'll eat it with some mayo with no problem,

I can't/couldn't eat the cottage cheese by itself eithier, thats why I added the cashew nuts to it.

Thats cool, I used to do the same thing. I would actually mix in cashews and some low sugar yogurt and it was much more tolerable. But now I have a fix for it. I take 1-1.5 cups of FF cottage cheese, 4 oz. of low sugar strawberry yogurt, 1 scoop of strawberry whey, and 1 cup of milk, throw it all ina a blender and enjoy! Its doesn't just make it tolerable, its actually kinda like a late night dessert for me, jam-packed with protein.

I tend to have veggies more often when I'm not actively trying to add mass. Meals 5 and 6 will generally have veggies in place of the complex carb sources. They are just too filling when I;m trying to cram in a lot of calories though. Sometimes I'll also snack on carrots and celery sticks with peanut butter wit my fiancee at night too.

**.V.** · 08-Mar-06, 01:52 PM

Liftgirl, sometimes eating and timing food to get huge doesn't relate to the food guide pyramid very well. Sometimes the green veggies can slow digestion and prevent the proper utilization of recovery carbs for insulin production and keep the protein from getting in there and building muscle. That's why I don't eat them in my post-post workout feeding, but include them in the post-post-post workout feeding. It's all about timing the nutrients for optimum anabolic response. Those of us who are natural have to time everything exactly how our body needs it done.

But you are correct, the green veggies are so very important.

**rangers97** · 08-Mar-06, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LiftGirl

So mav and rangers, you guys only eat veggies once a day?

I like natural peanut butter on a multi-grain English muffin for breakfast. Tasty and quick!

Yeah I guess I do, if you consider a salad veggies....It's hard enough for me to stick to a meal plan with clean foods let alone a clean meal plan with a lot of veggies included.

Probably not the best thing for me, but oh well