Very Very Interesting Question regarding an Approach to Training!.

[Vas85]

Heya guys, i want asmuch people to provide a response (your opinion) to this thread as possible and if they have any evidence / articles, even better!

My question is as i contemplate right now in training my Biceps today i thought about ONE key issue brought up in a post and generally. That you should do varying exercises to target the muscle differently, and from what i see in almost every training routine that i have come across (even my own ) Everyone has it in this type of fashion for example.

3x8 DB Curls
3x8 BB Curls
3x8 Hammer DB Curls

** THE ABOVE JUST AS AN EXAMPLE **

What i am thinking of right now and would be interested if anybody had an answer to is

Why dont we MIX them UP and then you are REALLY targetting the muscless with ALOT more VARIATION targetting the muscle in the same ways, but more than once like say..

** SECOND EXAMPLE ROUTINE (MODIFIED 1ST EXAMPLE) **
1x8 DB Curl
1x8 BB Curl
1x8 Hammer Curl
1x8 DB Curl
1x8 BB Curl
1x8 Hammer Curl
1x8 DB Curl
1x8 BB Curl
1x8 Hammer Curl

THEN from that said i believe you are really targetting the muscle astonishingly much more than the ** FIRST EXAMPLE ROUTINE **

The First Example Routine only changes to a different exercise TWICE from DB Curls to BB Curls to then Hammer DB Curls..

But!!! As the Second Example Routine shows it changes 8 times!.
Isn't 8 TIMES hitting the muscle more than ever, targetting different areas of it rather than 2 TIMES from the FIRST EXAMPLE.

Please guys / girls all post a response! Thanks!

[Tuna Fish]

Well, not exactly revolutionary, but supersetting/giant setting has been known to cause the occasional muscle to get bigger....

Tuna

[beefcurry1]

Originally Posted by Tuna Fish

Well, not exactly revolutionary, but supersetting/giant setting has been known to cause the occasional muscle to get bigger....

Tuna

i dont think he means as a super/giant set, just one set of one, normal rest, then one set of another way.

i would think that would be better for strength than hypertrophy. for hypertrophy you want to pound the same muscle with as little rest as possible(by doing the same exercise for numerous sets). for strength that would give a small number of muscle a little more rest. just a thought.

-beef-

[Vas85]

Hehehe TunaFish i just did my bicep workout, and i'm not really supersetting i dont believe becuase i have the normal break i have between each set and ive only divided a "what i believe is normal routine" of 3A 3B 3C into A B C A B C A B C, and the really interesting part, my PUMP , my previous bicep workout measured my arms in at 16.5 inchs approx which is 42cm (australia here we measure by cm) and today after trying out a routine similar to that mentioned above after training and measuring my pump just as ive completed my all my sets, i measured 43CM (16.9inches) !

I'm still surprised at how good of a pump i have achieved and my muscles have never felt tighter in my 1year and abit of training.

So i am pretty astounded by this and hopefully all will go well, just going to duck to bed now and rest (its 2am :P )

and Normally without having worked out last time i measured my arms were 16.14 inches (cm conversion).

[Vas85]

Originally Posted by beefcurry1

i dont think he means as a super/giant set, just one set of one, normal rest, then one set of another way.

i would think that would be better for strength than hypertrophy. for hypertrophy you want to pound the same muscle with as little rest as possible(by doing the same exercise for numerous sets). for strength that would give a small number of muscle a little more rest. just a thought.

-beef-

Beefcurry, yep you understand what i am reffering to :: THUMBS UP :: and umm i did pound my muscles with as little rest as possible, the same rest that i woudl have from going from exercise A to A to A i had going A to B to C...

[Todd]

Originally Posted by Vas85

THEN from that said i believe you are really targetting the muscle astonishingly much more than the ** FIRST EXAMPLE ROUTINE **

But!!! As the Second Example Routine shows it changes 8 times!.
Isn't 8 TIMES hitting the muscle more than ever, targetting different areas of it rather than 2 TIMES from the FIRST EXAMPLE.

Not really, because you are doing the same exercises and the same amount of work, just in a different order.

But, on the other hand, all those exercises in the example are great exercises for overall arm development. The order in which you do those exercises is not too important, but you should understand that, when you change their order, the execution and feel of each exercise may change dramatically. The movement may feel different and the amount of weight you can lift will vary.

Most people do straight sets of one exercise and then move onto the next exercises, only because you are able to concentrate and get into the mind-muscle link when doing say 3 sets for one exercise instead of continually going from one to another and then back again. You never really get the feel and get into the exercise, and this fact alone can lead to less stimulation, intensity and overall results.

[MostMuscle]

No...its does not add up like that. What would be a significant change would be anything from rep ranges, rest periods to actual weight loads. Changing the exercise order CAN effect change also for example: Say the Hammer Curl is your weakest exercise of the 3. If you performed it first, you would be able to handle heavier loads (energy would be high), thus improving your weak link which in turn would improve your overall arm strength (and hopefully size). Or say you used your routine in example #2, cutting your rest periods to say 30 seconds between each would be an effective means of increasing overall intensity.

[Vas85]

Well guys ill let you all know on my progress with this method, and about handling heavier loads, i did DB Standing Curls, Concentration Curls, Hammer Curls on my routine yesterday in which i am able to lift the same "load" across all three exercises and honestly i have never ever felt more pumped to the point were my muscle feels like its about to explode. But as i said ill inform all you guys on it, i could be wrong with this but only rest and time will tell. Ill show some pics aswell but will take some time, like if i did my normal routine where i do 3A 2B 2C and then my A B C A B C A way.

I guess i'm just like abit of a CAT Curiousity and a half.!

[Vas85]

Oh and Todd i guess if you kind of get into the Mike Mentzer mindstate where 1 set and only 1 set then if you apply it to this every set then you should give your maximum. I think you just need to know how much you can handle properly before this is approached. But as i said well see how it goes and ill let you all know.

[Todd]

Sounds good. Let us all know how things go with your training and results!