Wide Grip Upright Rows as bad as Close Grips for injury?

[BigPete]

I know upright row's with a close grip are one of the top injury causes, but what about wide grip ones? are they just as bad?

I prefer to use dumbbells. Each arm can move independently and avoid injury.

[Klinger]

Originally Posted by BigPete

I know upright row's with a close grip are one of the top injury causes, but what about wide grip ones? are they just as bad?

I hadn't heard this - is it true? It's one of my favorite traps/shoulder exercises. Hateto think I'm setting myself up for injury with it. :confused:

[Firehawk]

I love doing them too, don't quit if you don't get shoulder pain.

[CF-OC_gal]

Never had shoulder problems with doing them, but had to stop because the wrist position was bad for aggrevating "tennis/golfer's elbow". Upright cable rowing is the worst for it.

[HitManSE]

Upright row are upright rows, end of story. I dont do them, nor will I ever do them. Its an injury waiting to happen, like deadlifing with a rounded lower back. Its gonna catch up to your sooner or later.

[Klinger]

Originally Posted by HitManSE

Upright row are upright rows, end of story. I dont do them, nor will I ever do them. Its an injury waiting to happen, like deadlifing with a rounded lower back. Its gonna catch up to your sooner or later.

About two weeks ago I started to get shoulder pain that radiates down my left elbow. It happened shortly after I bumped my upright row to 90#. Now I'm thinking the pain is no coincidence.

Can you recommend a safer alternative movement?

Dumbbells, bro. I use 60 pounds each side and have no problems with my rotator cuffs. They allow your body to find its natural groove on the movement. The shoulders, elbows and wrists are not locked into a set motion. I strongly recommend them for a great side shoulder workout.

[Klinger]

Originally Posted by IronMan

Dumbbells, bro. I use 60 pounds each side and have no problems with my rotator cuffs. They allow your body to find its natural groove on the movement. The shoulders, elbows and wrists are not locked into a set motion. I strongly recommend them for a great side shoulder workout.

Thanks IronMan -- I'll use DBs when I do shoulder/trap work this week.

[Gooseneck]

That's how I tore my rotator cuff in the back. I was doing upright rows with 40lb. dumbells before I was warmed up properly. It only tore it slightly when doing the exercises, but then I tore the rest of it two nights later when I was sleeping.

Upright rows and dips are the two worst movements for shoulder injuries.

Those are my two of my fav's, Goose. A few years back my shoulders were killing me from heavy benching. Started doing these exercises (as well as not benching) and my shoulders have been great.

[HitManSE]

Originally Posted by Klinger

Can you recommend a safer alternative movement?

Yes ofcourse, first of all take it easy for a week or two. TRUST me the last thing you want is an injury. Any upright row type or movment should be permanently removed from your shoulder routine. As well as behind the neck press, too easy to make a mistake and destroy your rotators as well.

Other then that most movments are fine. Military press, DB overhead press, & if your really want to overload the shoulders Push press is great. Try to fit in cuban press's to your shoulder routine as well to get the rotators stronger.

Gooseneck: Dips can and will mess up your rotators, but thats a mistake you made. If you go too low, then yes your pretty much asking for it. Once your elbows reach a 90degree bend, do not go any lower.

Ironman: If you havnt seen this link, here ya go, every1 should read this.
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle....=body_145shldr
Its worth adding to your fav's

Curban press is pretty much what I do with dumbbells. Nice link, thanks Hitman.

[HitManSE]

Originally Posted by IronMan

Curban press is pretty much what I do with dumbbells. Nice link, thanks Hitman.

Cool, either way any sort of shoulder rotation is an ego killer, lol.
Not a prob